General Election June 8th

[JWBlueman]

You're happy for others to top up the wages you pay? For me and everybody else in here to subsidize you?

It was the same argument used against the minimum wage "business will collapse" etc.

Make no mistake, if the minimum wage didn't exist those poor sods on only £8/hour would likely be earning £5/hour.

Private business want the rest of society to give them huge tax breaks in the form of tax credits to their employees to enable them to put food on the table and then complain when somebody points out taxes may have to rise Tom pay for it.

Hypocrites and thieves.

 

[JWBlueman]

You've made your mind up mate, fair enough.
It was Jezza who solved the Ulster problem, so this IS lark should be a piece of cake.
June 9 can't come soon enough.

Did he balls. But he didn't do anything that the British and American establishment didn't do either

 

[peoffrey]

I'm struggling to think of a worse mainstream party leader in my lifetime than Jeremy Corbyn. Labour's election results have been shocking since he came in and this man is deeply unfit to be the next Prime Minister of this country. Add Diane Abbott's recent outbursts and they become even more unelectable. The frightening thing is that he will still be doing his best to lead Labour after they get trounced because his belligerence and stubbornness will refuse to allow him to step aside. Burnham, Cooper and Khan are all far better candidates for that job.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Then explain, objectively, how they have not failed.

I don't really feel the need to do your googling for you, but off the top of my head,

In the face of severe fiscal pressure because the necessary austerity, (a) she's still managed to increase funding for counter-terrorism activities, and (b) MOST of the terrorits plots have been foiled, saving countless lives, perhaps 100's of lives.

You see OBJECTIVELY you cannot say she has failed. It is YOUR OPINION, that is all. An opinion completely tainted by your desperation to see a Labour victory. You are looking for negatives in everything, even if they aren't there.

 

[geoff clipp]

Stepping back for a minute (and i'm genuinely interested to know the answer to this), is there anyone on here who still feels as though their mind could be changed either way? I know most of us have firmly nailed our colours to the mast but i was just wondering if there are any undecideds still left.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I'm struggling to think of a worse mainstream party leader in my lifetime than Jeremy Corbyn. Labour's election results have been shocking since he came in and this man is deeply unfit to be the next Prime Minister of this country. Add Diane Abbott's recent outbursts and they become even more unelectable. The frightening thing is that he will still be doing his best to lead Labour after they get trounced because his belligerence and stubbornness will refuse to allow him to step aside. Burnham, Cooper and Khan are all far better candidates for that job.

Immeasurably. They are credible. He isn't. End of.

 

[urban genie]

But you kept China in purely socialist as well.

In fact, your list is pretty much bollocks as the UK would be in one list as we have a welfare state and free healthcare.

shh! don't tell everyone ;-)

socialist ideals can run alongside capitalism at times even Marx recognised that, the ultimate goal is pure socialism, but I don't recall corbyn ever preaching that.

Anyway I have said before I lean towards anarcho-communism (but not anacho-syndicism, fucking splitters) so your are all right wing to me.





Can I point out the last line is not serious.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Stepping back for a minute (and i'm genuinely interested to know the answer to this), is there anyone on here who still feels as though their mind could be changed either way? I know most of us have firmly nailed our colours to the mast but i was just wondering if there are any undecideds still left.

I'm only guessing mate but It seems to me that of the say 100 people who've contributed on here, no more than perhaps 5 or 10 had any sort of open mind in the first place. I know I do not.

This is perhaps what's misleading the polls; it is not how Jeremy is doing amongst core Labour supporters suddenly excited by the remote but nevertheless vastly improved chance that he might win. He needs to persuade the moderates in the UK that previously voted Tory, that his quasi-Marxist policies are acceptable. That's a tough ask.

 

[inchy14]

You're happy for others to top up the wages you pay? For me and everybody else in here to subsidize you?

£8 an hour works out at £16k+ a year, we're a small company in a competitive field and costs are crucial. Not sure what you'd expect a minimum hours pay to be.

We had to freeze all wages this year as we've invested £1million in new equipment and raising the minimum pay won't help it pay for itself as quickly as we need it to.

It's £1 extra than what the Tories are proposing and won't come in place till 2020

No matter when it comes in it'll have an affect on SME's. It'll cause redundancies and division in the work place.

 

[hilts]

She's cutting 20,000 police jobs when we need them the most.

Wouldn't have stopped a thing

 

[mcfc1632]

He has principles and if the electorate don't like them he has others.

2 years ago he proposed a further 10% cut in police budget. Election message "Tories cut 20000 police"
All his career he has argued for no nukes and claimed to be a pacifist. Election message "Renew Trident"
2 years ago Shoot to kill is wrong. Election message "whatever needs to be done"


and yet the left have attempted to paint May as making U-turns or lying.

The Hypocrisy is strong in this Labour campaign.



And the idiot Abbott is on good form again today. Funny that she's now gone sick so won't be on the woman hour debate. Fucking lol!

I think that the "whatever needs to be done" message was with regards getting him elected

Whatever lies
Whatever rewriting of the reality
Whatever promises that can not be possibly delivered
Whatever claims about his 'new' principles and how they replace his 'old' principles - well in fact he never did hold those 'old' principles etc.

 

[geoff clipp]

I'm only guessing mate but It seems to me that of the say 100 people who've contributed on here, no more than perhaps 5 or 10 had any sort of open mind in the first place. I know I do not.

Seems that way to me too. Think most of us have covered the same ground over and over again now but i'm still interested to hear the thoughts of those who could still change their minds and hear what they were thinking at the start of the campaign.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Anyone know which fuckwit is responsible for this ?

That'll be Theresa May. She's responsible for everything bad, remember? Keep on message, only 2 days to go.

 

[cibaman]

Stepping back for a minute (and i'm genuinely interested to know the answer to this), is there anyone on here who still feels as though their mind could be changed either way? I know most of us have firmly nailed our colours to the mast but i was just wondering if there are any undecideds still left.

I'm undecided between "none of the above" and conservative. Never voted tory before in a general election, my parents and grandparents could be spinning in their graves if I do (although I think they would recognise Corbyn for what he is). But if the polls are really close tomorrow I might have to bite the bullet. Couldn't forgive myself if Corbyn gets in and I hadn't voted against him.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It was the same argument used against the minimum wage "business will collapse" etc.

Make no mistake, if the minimum wage didn't exist those poor sods on only £8/hour would likely be earning £5/hour.

Private business want the rest of society to give them huge tax breaks in the form of tax credits to their employees to enable them to put food on the table and then complain when somebody points out taxes may have to rise Tom pay for it.

Hypocrites and thieves.

I think you are mistaken. If the minimum wage did not exist, employers would have to pay the market rate, or no-one would work for them. Who knows what rate that might be; it could be £8/hour.

And you totally ignore the employers who are volutarily paying more than the minimum wage anyway. Perhaps if you tried to put your bitterness aside, it may not cloud your thinking so much.

Anyway, I am not opposed to a minimum wage; it just needs to be at an affordable level such that it doesn't drive up unemployment and put companies out of business.

 

[1.618034]

Did he balls. But he didn't do anything that the British and American establishment didn't do either

Tories have tried to use this against him and for many people he's actually come out of it looking like a visionary.

Richard Dunne didn't have as many own goals as this Tory campaign.

Anyone know which fuckwit is responsible for this ?

LOL

 

[mcfc1632]

If he had such strong principles he wouldn't have prioritised abolishing tuition fees entirely over reversing some of the welfare cuts.

Well to be fair to him - that is entirely consistent with his core principle

"To offer every section of the population - in this case students - a bribe to vote Labour. No matter if the 'promise' can be delivered - just so long as they vote his way on Thursday"

 

[Chippy_boy]

I'm undecided between "none of the above" and conservative. Never voted tory before in a general election, my parents and grandparents could be spinning in their graves if I do (although I think they would recognise Corbyn for what he is). But if the polls are really close tomorrow I might have to bite the bullet. Couldn't forgive myself if Corbyn gets in and I hadn't voted against him.

As a life-long and passionate Tory supporter, I would be abstaining if I thought May would get in regardless; I am that pissed off with how crap she's been. But in the same way, I would have to kill myself if that cretin Corbyn won and I had contributed to it. So reluctantly the Tories have my vote. I told my MP I would not be voting for him unless he personally voted FOR the cap on care costs though, so I bloody hope he does!

 

[mcfc1632]

It may Happen. Any free trade agreement will include some sort of free movement agreement.

Why are you spouting such random stuff as if it is fact?

 

[jonmcity]

Why are you spouting such random stuff as if it is fact?

Trade requires the movement of people in order to facilitate the trade fact. Companies will want their own trusted people in charge of their investments.