General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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Chippy_boy said:
How on earth can you not see that Corbyn will wreck the country like the people you ousted in 1979 had done???
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You worked in IT right? If you worked in a project environment you'd have come across risks & issues. A risk is something that might happen and you assess the probability of it happening and the impact if it does. An issue is something that is causing problems and stopping progress.

At the moment, I see a Labour government as a risk. In other words it might cause problems. I see a May government as an issue. In other words there's a problem that is happening now (further austerity) and blocking progress.

As someone said on Twitter, sticking with the Tories is like sticking with Harold Shipman as your doctor, even if you know he's killing people, as he's nice and you're scared about moving to a new doctor who might not be so nice.

Or maybe it's more like Russian Roulette where you playing but hoping it's not you when the chamber with the bullet comes round.
 
jonmcity said:
Ah yes privatisation will sort out everything!

"I see no reason why fares should increase faster under the new system than they do under the present nationalised industry structure," Transport Secretary John MacGregor told the House of Commons in February 1993. "In many cases, they will be more flexible and will be reduced."

So two decades on, what has happened?

Since the last set of British Rail fares were published in June 1995, inflation measured by the Retail Prices Index (RPI) has been 66%. Figures show a huge variation in fares since privatisation. A single from London to Manchester has gone up by 208%, up from £50 in 1995 to £154 today. That is more than three times the rate of inflation.
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No matter political leanings I think that there are some things that we can/should all get behind

Whilst I remember the bad old days of some nationalised industries and therefore support privatisation - that is only the right areas.

For me the wrong areas are areas of key utilities and in particular the Rail network.

Now I know that it is possible/probable that the prices that you mention in 1993 might well have been artificially low, but I have just checked the cost of a day return for me to go from where I live in the South to Edinburgh.

£321 FFS!!!!!

That is standard class - well more than the price of flying from Heathrow
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
Does anyone have any actual statistics about the number of Nurses that have come to the UK from the EU and are contributing to the NHS and society?

My experience is there are very few skilled trained nurses coming in from the EU, the Nurses that come here are mainly from the far east places such as Singapore, Sri Lanka etc.

The majority of people I encounter in a hospital that are from the EU are generally in the lesser skilled jobs such as carers and care assistants. This is no way denigrating the work, the essential work, they do its just an observation and I think one that should be noted.
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https://secondreading.uk/social-policy/one-nhs-many-nationalities-where-are-nhs-staff-from/
(nov 2016)

7% of nurses

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jonmcity said:
Yes the government have found a way to drive us onto trains. They have made it impossible to travel by car, bus into City centres, due to years of under investment in roads. anyone stuck in a car trying to get around London would jump on a train no mater about the cost or comfort.
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Fucking priceless. Was it the government's fault your favourite didn't win Britain's Got Talent as well? How about us only finishing 3rd in the league? Bloody Tories eh.
 
CitizenTID said:
Possibly. I do find it believable because she's been dipping out of things for quite a while due to it.

I wouldn't put it past some type of characters to use it as their excuse card regularly though, when they can't face the heat for example.
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or for some characters to claim that other characters are using it as a smokescreen.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You worked in IT right? If you worked in a project environment you'd have come across risks & issues. A risk is something that might happen and you assess the probability of it happening and the impact if it does. An issue is something that is causing problems and stopping progress.

At the moment, I see a Labour government as a risk. In other words it might cause problems. I see a May government as an issue. In other words there's a problem that is happening now (further austerity) and blocking progress.

As someone said on Twitter, sticking with the Tories is like sticking with Harold Shipman as your doctor, even if you know he's killing people, as he's nice and you're scared about moving to a new doctor who might not be so nice.

Or maybe it's more like Russian Roulette where you playing but hoping it's not you when the chamber with the bullet comes round.
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Thanks mate for your perspective. It probably comes as no surprise that I view it diametrically opposite.

In my estimation Corbyn wrecking the economy and setting the country back decades is not a risk, it's a cast-iron certainty. Whereas I believe the conservatives are on the right track, with steadily reducing deficit and the prospect of increased public spending in due course. The conservatives have had a difficult balancing act, trying to cut spending in order to balance the books, but not so much as to be completely unbearable and to stop any chance of growth.

In my estimation, they've got it about right. Hard to imagine any deeper cuts would have been acceptable to anyone, and yet the deficit still remains, so we can see how tricky its been.

I know you favour growth as the solution - as we all do in fact - and stimulus of the economy through judicious public investment. I agree to an extent, but when you inherit a £170bn deficit - the highest in the entire developed worth - surely you'd agree that increasing borrowing further at that time would have been wreckless. Maybe there is now scope for more borrowing. But I cannot agree that spending on the scale Corbyn wishes to do would be anything other than catastrophic.
 
I think the Tories will win tomorrow, but it won't be the complete white wash everyone expected when the election was announced.

Jeremy Corbyn has been an absolute credit to himself, his party and the voters.

If this election was a football match then Labour would have been 5-0 down at kick off but when the final whistle goes they will have lost 6-5.

I think the damage was done before the election when there was a huge smear campaign against Corbyn in the media. Remember when he was 'unelectable'? He might not win but I can assure you that there isn't a Labour MP alive right now that would get as many votes as Corbyn will do on Thursday.

I personally think another 5 years of Tory cuts will be devastating for this country, especially with the Tory planned 'hard Brexit'.

However...

Although this may be bad for the people, NHS, police, schools etc, I think it may be a good loss for Labour themselves in the long run.

I think Brexit is going to be a big mess and the negotiating party will get a really bad reputation with the public because of it.

Labour can run against that in 5 years time and get themselves into power again when we're completely on our arses.

In fact, I'm 99% sure that will happen.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I don't have any problem with increased privatisation of services so long as it's quality service and free at the point of delivery. What's your problem with that exactly? When you do your knee in and the NHS says you need a ligament op and we're going to send you the Spire hospital up the road where they have great facilities and skills, what on earth is your problem?
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In my partners experience. Nursing sister 30 years service. Every time a service is privatised. The standards drop and eventually they become more expensive. I am not saying we should not welcome innovation by private companies, but when hospitals are ringing around and couriering instruments across town because the sterilisation company have lost or damaged equipment it should be stopped.
 
SWP's back said:
She's as poorly as I am the Pope.
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She is poorly.

Poorly prepared.

Poorly at convincing

Poorly when remembering anything

I said from the off she had to go and posted only yesterday morning in a site that Corbyn had to move her.

I'm happy he read it.

She was an anchor snagged in the rocks pulling the ship under.

If only the Tories could replace Shat her Tights May. They might still have a 20 point lead.

Imagine if Corbyn had listened to me before the electioneering and got shot of Abbot, they might even be winning.

She has been a disaster. She is a disaster. She will always be a disaster

She would fit right in to Scottish Labour. They are a total disaster too.
 
jonmcity said:
In my partners experience. Nursing sister 30 years service. Every time a service is privatised. The standards drop and eventually they become more expensive. I am not saying we should not welcome innovation by private companies, but when hospitals are ringing around and couriering instruments across town because the sterilisation company have lost or damaged equipment it should be stopped.
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I'm appalled at the services provided by some of the outsourced businesses to be fair. The cleaning services in the new Southmead hospital here in Bristol are a bloody disgrace. But they should have their feet held to the fire, with penalty clauses for underperformance so we get the services for free if they fuck up. They get away with murder because no-one gives a toss.
 
Magicpole said:
She is poorly.

Poorly prepared.

Poorly at convincing

Poorly when remembering anything

I said from the off she had to go and posted only yesterday morning in a site that Corbyn had to move her.

I'm happy he read it.

She was an anchor snagged in the rocks pulling the ship under.

If only the Tories could replace Shat her Tights May. They might still have a 20 point lead.

Imagine if Corbyn had listened to me before the electioneering and got shot of Abbot, they might even be winning.

She has been a disaster. She is a disaster. She will always be a disaster

She would fit right in to Scottish Labour. They are a total disaster too.
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She'd be great for SNP.

"So Diane, what's the basis for Scotland to be an independent nation?"

"Hermdy durr derrr, sorry I feel ill I'll have to leave"
 
Chippy_boy said:
I'm appalled at the services provided by some of the oomplainutsourced businesses to be fair. The cleaning services in the new Southmead hospital here in Bristol are a bloody disgrace. But they should have their feet held to the fire, with penalty clauses for underperformance so we get the services for free if they fuck up. They get away with murder because no-one gives a toss.
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The immediate managers do complain and instigate formal complaints, but the trust management who have introduced the private service, stop it going any further.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Interesting.

It would be good to know the figure of non EU workers (Nurses) in the NHS.

That said, there would be little to no constraints on bringing fully trained and skilled nurses into the country IF we need them (which clearly we do). However I would much prefer to see a plan for the longer term where we decreased theneed for Foreign Nationals as we were training British people to do the work. BTW Nurses never had to go to University in the past, why is it such a requirement now?
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Because they're cheaper than doctors...
 
ManCityX said:
I think the Tories will win tomorrow, but it won't be the complete white wash everyone expected when the election was announced.

Jeremy Corbyn has been an absolute credit to himself, his party and the voters.

If this election was a football match then Labour would have been 5-0 down at kick off but when the final whistle goes they will have lost 6-5.

I think the damage was done before the election when there was a huge smear campaign against Corbyn in the media. Remember when he was 'unelectable'? He might not win but I can assure you that there isn't a Labour MP alive right now that would get as many votes as Corbyn will do on Thursday.

I personally think another 5 years of Tory cuts will be devastating for this country, especially with the Tory planned 'hard Brexit'.

However...

Although this may be bad for the people, NHS, police, schools etc, I think it may be a good loss for Labour themselves in the long run.

I think Brexit is going to be a big mess and the negotiating party will get a really bad reputation with the public because of it.

Labour can run against that in 5 years time and get themselves into power again when we're completely on our arses.

In fact, I'm 99% sure that will happen.
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Good post
 
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