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johnmc said:
Madrid just won their league and the champions league. Maybe the competition for places helped then do that. If a few players are unhappy along the way I'm sure they will take that.
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Competition for places didn't win them the CL. They have players capable of performing at a world class level regardless of who is breathing down their neck.

I'm not arsed if players become unhappy. I just don't see the point paying over the odds for a young player based on his potential when you are going to block his path with ready made world class players.
 
ono said:
Competition for places didn't win them the CL. They have players capable of performing at a world class level regardless of who is breathing down their neck.

I'm not arsed if players become unhappy. I just don't see the point paying over the odds for a young player based on his potential when you are going to block his path with ready made world class players.
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It certainly helped. Having top players for each position ups every players level. Look at the contributions squad players such as Asensio made. You need top options to win trophies.
 
City_Sean said:
It certainly helped. Having top players for each position ups every players level. Look at the contributions squad players such as Asensio made. You need top options to win trophies.
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You do, but Asensio is a product of their youth team and therefore probably is patient enough to bide his team. Had he been a 50m signing from elsewhere, it's likely he would be in a totally different place. Look at what's happened to Renato Sanches at Bayern. Despite being 19 he had the mindset of wanting to play week in week out because they paid stupid money for him. He hasn't played much and has looked poor when he has.

I'm staggered people don't understand this.

I'll simplify it further. Look at the difference in the player that Alexis Sanchez is now to what he was when he was rotated at Barcelona. Night and day. I don't know about you but I feel Sane and Jesus can be very special players. But for that to happen they need to be number 1 options for me.
 
ono said:
You do, but Asensio is a product of their youth team and therefore probably is patient enough to bide his team. Had he been a 50m signing from elsewhere, it's likely he would be in a totally different place. Look at what's happened to Renato Sanches at Bayern. Despite being 19 he had the mindset of wanting to play week in week out because they paid stupid money for him. He hasn't played much and has looked poor when he has.

I'm staggered people don't understand this.

I'll simplify it further. Look at the difference in the player that Alexis Sanchez is now to what he was when he was rotated at Barcelona. Night and day. I don't know about you but I feel Sane and Jesus can be very special players. But for that to happen they need to be number 1 options for me.
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Asensio was never part of their youth team. He was purchased from Mallorca.
 
ono said:
You do, but Asensio is a product of their youth team and therefore probably is patient enough to bide his team. Had he been a 50m signing from elsewhere, it's likely he would be in a totally different place. Look at what's happened to Renato Sanches at Bayern. Despite being 19 he had the mindset of wanting to play week in week out because they paid stupid money for him. He hasn't played much and has looked poor when he has.

I'm staggered people don't understand this.

I'll simplify it further. Look at the difference in the player that Alexis Sanchez is now to what he was when he was rotated at Barcelona. Night and day. I don't know about you but I feel Sane and Jesus can be very special players. But for that to happen they need to be number 1 options for me.
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First of all, Asensio is a product of Mallorca's academy. Secondly, for players like Sane and Jesus to become top class, they need the likes of Sanchez who will improve them. They'll learn. We don't need squad players like Nolito and Navas. We need top class players who can make a contribution.
 
ono said:
Competition for places didn't win them the CL. They have players capable of performing at a world class level regardless of who is breathing down their neck.

I'm not arsed if players become unhappy. I just don't see the point paying over the odds for a young player based on his potential when you are going to block his path with ready made world class players.
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So you honestly don't think Bale knew if he didn't perform someone would take his place and conversely when Isco and Morata for example did get in they thought they had a point to prove.

I disagree. When Aguero was injured in the past and Kelechi came in Sergio would know he is going straight back in. And Kelechi probably knew that no matter what he did that was the case.

Do you not think Aguero's work rate went up when Jesus came in?
 
Have any of the ITK's had any info on Sanchez? Didn't think we could get him. It will spell the end of a lot of game time for Sterling, as he was even struggling at the end of the season when everyone was fit. I think it is a good move however even so, if we want to step to the next level we need to be adding players like Sanchez. Sterling has been decent for us, but his shooting is atrocious and he can drift in and out of games. He should be a bit further on at this stage imo, although he was definitely showing signs of improvement.
 
Joe Hart's Dandruff said:
Have any of the ITK's had any info on Sanchez? Didn't think we could get him. It will spell the end of a lot of game time for Sterling, as he was even struggling at the end of the season when everyone was fit. I think it is a good move however even so, if we want to step to the next level we need to be adding players like Sanchez. Sterling has been decent for us, but his shooting is atrocious and he can drift in and out of games. He should be a bit further on at this stage imo, although he was definitely showing signs of improvement.
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But they're not really ITK's, they are just very naughty boys
 
ono said:
I understand the Maths.

The issue is that rotation prevents players from gaining momentum and in turn will probably hinder the development of certain players. Looking at it logically, when everyone was fit in Jan, Aguero couldn't get a game. Add in Sanchez and Silva and you have a problem. I'm aware that Navas and Nolito have moved on but I'd seriously question if either player would ever be good enough go stake a claim based on merit.

My point is simple. If you decide to throw 130m at 3 young attackers, let them play and develop. Back them to succeed. Don't block their path by signing players who will play ahead of them.

Name me a top side who can rotate 8-9 players for 4-5 positions whilst maximising the development of their young players and maintaining the harmony of the older players. Hasn't worked at Real, hasn't worked at Bayern.
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Bringing up Real isn't a very good point, they had 10 players fighting for 5 spots (Ronaldo, Benzema, Bale, Vasquez, Asensio, Isco, James, Morata, Modric, Kroos), so it's not too surprising some players aren't happy with their game time. James is unhappy because he simply doesn't fit into Zidane's plans, and the number of players they have also affords them an injury (to Bale for example) and continue going on with no dips.

Here would be the very realistic bad scenario for example, if we have 3 wingers in 2 spots (B Silva, Sane, Sterling) and 1 get's injured, then the other 2 players have to play EVERY game after and will suffer due to exhaustion, this is inadequate depth, not to mention that B Silva would also play CM as well. You could say well maybe Kevin can step in to rotate with the wingers, but that is clearly not ideal.

Now if you have 4 wingers in 2 spots, then if an injury happens to one winger, you have 3 who can still rotate effectively. If our 4 wingers have perfect non-free injury seasons, then first of all that's great, but the amount of games is not as little as you think, atleast 28 games next season is still very good for the development of Sane and Sterling, 2 wingers who were CLEARLY gassed out last season due to Pep's over reliance.

Edit: This is why I wanted you to say explicitly what you meant and I brought up the maths, because you keep saying they won't get enough games for development and then don't say what you think is an acceptable number of games to play in a season. I think playing 28 (over 2500 mins) full games would be decent for a young 21 year old winger for example.

Edit2: To clarify, I still don't want Sanchez for depth even though it seems I'm arguing for him. I'm really arguing for SOMEBODY for depth, and in my opinion that should go to Patrick Roberts. That will give us 4 wingers spots, with B Silva also playing CM so not really being a full winger
 
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Yates said:
There's more options than just running the contract down, that's what Wenger would rather over selling to a Premier League rival. Bayern would stump up a nice sum. Sanchez could even go ahead and sign that big bumper contract at Arsenal. I want Sanchez here if he is available but it'll be an absolute ballache and won't happen in the next few days. I just feel Arsenal losing out on the Champions League are now going to be even stricter and letting their top players go to rival clubs.
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He doesn't want to stay at Arsenal. The plan only works if he wants Bayern, and Bayern has the right fee ready. No way he stays in place. Wouldn't make sense for anyone. Of course Wenger doesn't want him at a Prem rival, but he won't be able to do anything about that if he keeps him a year, and then he'll lose out on the cash too. Better a bird in hand.
 
Joe Hart's Dandruff said:
Have any of the ITK's had any info on Sanchez? Didn't think we could get him. It will spell the end of a lot of game time for Sterling, as he was even s
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Highly doubt that, sterlings drop in game time was more down to him playing alot of games while the rest were injured and his injury on internationals set him back , he'll have a big part to play next year imo
 
Not sure what the betting odds are in england. But i put some money on him to sign for us when he was paying $5 last week. Checked today and hes down to $2.80, only 30 cents higher for him to stay at arsenal.
 
Fingers crossed we've got some quality players on the bench moaning they want more game time. All that means is we have strength in depth, which we haven't had the last couple of years.
 
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