Post Match Thread: Election 2017

[Saddleworth2]

Do people think May will go? She must be hanging on by the skin of her teeth if she stays. If she goes, what the hell will that mean?

She will be out within a week. Deservedly so too.

 

[hilts]

It's not bollocks just shorthand. Clear majority of MPs now against hard brexit so the weakness of the bargaining position means to continue May's table thumping approach to our European colleagues would be stupid.

A majority of MPs were always against a hard brexit whatever the fuck hard brexit means. Most MPs didn't want to leave in the first place. This election hasn't changed a thing in these terms. The problem is we have a situation where we dont know who is going to be running the country for the next 2 years

 

[the god Gerry Gow]

The country voted for brexit and corbyn has already accepted what that means so you are mistaken.

Corbyn will do whatever McDonnell and/or Momentum tell him to do

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Ruth is a very personable politician but she has run a very limited albeit successful campaign on the basis of 'say no to indyref2'. The surprise for me in Scotland is the resurgence of the Labour Party which ran a far more ambiguous line on indyref. If Ruth had run purely on the Tory manifesto don't think we would be looking at the level of gains achieved.

Fair enough.
She comes over well in interviews when I've seen her, and seems to be able to make a joke. She'd be good for them anyway.

 

[Mike N]

And so once again the Tory party have plunged the country into another crisis.
Cameron caused the Brexit crisis by holding a referendum that was all about sorting out internal Tory party problems.
May called an election she didn't have to as a power grab for the Tories and an unstable government has resulted at a time when the country is to enter the Brexit negotiations.
Thank God we didn't elect Red Ed and get the chaos that Cameron warned us about.
The Tories always fcuking the country up.

True. Always putting their own ego and interests ahead of the needs of the country. Piss poor.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Any hard brexit "no deal" will not be accepted by parliament. A vote of no confidence would end the government that tried to push it through.

But the problem with your assumption is that the EU will not offer anything else.

 

[Le Havre Oswald]

Eli5. What happens now

 

[jonmcity]

She will be out within a week. Deservedly so too.

She might last two weeks, but yes she is toast.

 

[cptaidan88]

At least May is staying to steady the ship.

The kids,and they can only be kids,that have voted for Labour have done with no memory. It's the only explanation. They haven't seen the damage Labour have done in the past. Poor tories had to come in and save the country.

May deserves to be ousted. She called an election purely to give herself a mandate (which she already had), and hasn't been given one. She's put her party in a worse position.

My memory doesn't go back as far as yours, but the Tories have done a lot more damage to this country in my lifetime, of that there can be no doubt.

 

[dickie davies]

She will be out within a week. Deservedly so too.

No she won't
As some political experts have pointed out, if she does go the Conservatives will tear themselves apart
may will remain as leader as the majority of senior Conservative politicians know what lies ahead if she does resign

 

[jonmcity]

But the problem with your assumption is that the EU will not offer anything else.

Not in their interest not to offer a deal. If they did not offer any deal we would stay in the EU.

 

[Vic]

Next question would be how the parties manage their internal splits. It's not simple but the Tories will be riven over brexit (hard soft or whether it's a good idea at all) while Labour will still have arguments over whether another leader would have done better (though with the curious aspect that if they'd had a "better" leader May would not have been tempted to call an election).

 

[dickie davies]

May deserves to be ousted. She called an election purely to give herself a mandate (which she already had), and hasn't been given one. She's put her party in a worse position.

My memory doesn't go back as far as yours, but the Tories have done a lot more damage to this country in my lifetime, of that there can be no doubt.

I have a little sympathy for her on point number two
I reckon she was talked into this election and went with it for two reasons

1- Decimate Labour. And she's failed
2 - The Brexit negotiations would be at a critical stage when the next scheduled election was due and rather than focusing on Brexit, politicians would be electioneering

 

[117 M34]

Constitutionally May gets first dibs.
If she finds her Queen's speech defeated then Labour are given the chance to form a govt and present a Queen's speech.
That will also be defeated and we'll have another election no sooner than 25 days afterwards.

That's the outcome i want then.
My school is used as a polling station so another election before the end of next month means a day off for me!

 

[MillionMilesAway]

A great picture from last night

All Hail Lord Buckethead!

 

[cibaman]

To scupper it? Insist on a hard brexit and a physical border between NI/ROI is about the only thing. The DUP will be desperate not to see Corbyn in power, given his long standing friendship with Sinn Fein/IRA and his seeming nonchalance over the Union.



Mate, there's more chance of Phil Jones winning Ballon D'Or than Sinn Fein swearing loyalty to the Queen. They've already long since ruled it out.

Never say never. They've got a perfect excuse now, ie they need to be represented in Westminster to counter the DUP's disproportionate influence. Say the tories lose a few seats in by elections, Sinn Fein MPs could then be in a position to bring down the government and could justify that if they could argue that the tories had made too many concessions to the DUP. I could see them taking the oath, with fingers crossed, whilst making it clear that theyre only doing that because of the special circumstances surrounding the DUP.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Give it to Giggsy......

 

[Blue Llama]

Constitutionally May gets first dibs.
If she finds her Queen's speech defeated then Labour are given the chance to form a govt and present a Queen's speech.
That will also be defeated and we'll have another election no sooner than 25 days afterwards.

Not going to happen. Apparently a party needs, arithmetically 326 seats to avoid every other party ganging up on them. Politically its completely different. As Sinn Fein never turn up at Westminster and have 7 seats the actual target is 322 seats. The DUP (the NI Tories) have 12 seats. May like her or not doesn't have a problem.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Its time to ask the really important question.

When Nicola Sturgeon gets the boots which person named after a fish will be leader of the SNP?

I am going for Finley Trout-Pollock

Nah, Natalie Pike. ;)

 

[CitizenTID]

Its not a win but the SNP don't look like they'll qualify now which is marvellous.

Looks like the small Irish club might pull off a shock transfer from England's league leaders for more firepower. Hopefully those negotiations fall through and the sour star stays with them and they bottle it on the last day leading the way for Jezza to snatch it for Labour on goal difference a la Kün Aguero ;)