Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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Most voters rejected May because she was a terrible leader not because of her Brexit stance. People voted for all sorts of other reasons as well, so how can you say most voters rejected a hard Brexit ? Brexit was barely even talked about pre election from either party. The conservatives on a hard Brexit stance also won the most votes and got the most seats.... I'd say the majority of people do want Brexit, but are arguing over the type of Brexit.
The conservatives campaigned on a hard brexi,t in England, except they are now dependant on 12 Scottish mps and Ruth Davidsons Scottish conservatives will be pushing for a soft Brexit, thats what they campaigned on. Quite sure there will be other conservative back benchers that would also support a softer brexit , Ken Clarke for one.
 
The conservatives campaigned on a hard brexi,t in England, except they are now dependant on 12 Scottish mps and Ruth Davidsons Scottish conservatives will be pushing for a soft Brexit, thats what they campaigned on. Quite sure there will be other conservative back benchers that would also support a softer brexit , Ken Clarke for one.

120 conservative MP's wanted to stay in a single market.
 
Sick to the back teeth of the constant hard v soft argument because it just doesn't exist apart from in the imaginations of a few that want the process reversed.

We where asked if we wanted to leave the EU and we voted to leave. There wasn't several different options on the table, no hard or soft and thats because they dont exist.

Its like telling the wife your off with another women but wont be divorcing here and will pop in every now and then for a quick fuck.

Bonkers.

We are LEAVING the EU and that means no single market and no freedom of movement.
 
Sick to the back teeth of the constant hard v soft argument because it just doesn't exist apart from in the imaginations of a few that want the process reversed.

We where asked if we wanted to leave the EU and we voted to leave. There wasn't several different options on the table, no hard or soft and thats because they dont exist.

Its like telling the wife your off with another women but wont be divorcing here and will pop in every now and then for a quick fuck.

Bonkers.

We are LEAVING the EU and that means no single market and no freedom of movement.

It was an in or out vote with the details tba. Those details will be the product of the Brexit talks and may include all those things you are saying no to as part f the proposed deal. The funny thing is if the Leave vote are right and the Leaver community is bolstered by those Remainers resigned to the conclusion it could be that at the time that the talks are concluded more than 52% of the population want out but DON'T like the deal negotiated however, because of the way they campaigned , the country won't have a vote on the final deal it will be down to MP's in Parliament. So a so called Soft-Brexit deal could be negotiated and agreed on in Parliament against the will of the majority of the Leave vote in the wider community. Given the political twists and turns over the last couple of years this is the almost inevitable outcome.
 
Sick to the back teeth of the constant hard v soft argument because it just doesn't exist apart from in the imaginations of a few that want the process reversed.

We where asked if we wanted to leave the EU and we voted to leave. There wasn't several different options on the table, no hard or soft and thats because they dont exist.

Its like telling the wife your off with another women but wont be divorcing here and will pop in every now and then for a quick fuck.

Bonkers.

We are LEAVING the EU and that means no single market and no freedom of movement.
Whilst the majority of leave voters probably agree with you and would want to leave the single market etc, I suspect there's a significant minority of leave voters who would like to stay in the single market. If you combine them with remain voters, I strongly believe a majority of the total electorate would prefer a soft Brexit.
 
Whilst the majority of leave voters probably agree with you and would want to leave the single market etc, I suspect there's a significant minority of leave voters who would like to stay in the single market. If you combine them with remain voters, I strongly believe a majority of the total electorate would prefer a soft Brexit.

You can't stay in the single market without keeping free movement, so basically staying in the EU. That's not leaving and Tory and Labour voters have just voted to leave with an end to freedom of movement, so it's not going to happen.
 
You can't stay in the single market without keeping free movement, so basically staying in the EU. That's not leaving and Tory and Labour voters have just voted to leave with an end to freedom of movement, so it's not going to happen.

Thank you.
 
You can't stay in the single market without keeping free movement, so basically staying in the EU. That's not leaving and Tory and Labour voters have just voted to leave with an end to freedom of movement, so it's not going to happen.
If two options were on the table one with some compromise on free movement and access to the single market and a second with no access to the single market and no free movement , I'm pretty confident the majority of MP's would vote for option 1. Don't think the 2nd option would have more than 200 MP s supporting it.
 
You can't stay in the single market without keeping free movement, so basically staying in the EU. That's not leaving and Tory and Labour voters have just voted to leave with an end to freedom of movement, so it's not going to happen.
You are saying that everyone who voted Brexit was voting against free movement. I am saying that wasn't the main consideration for a significant minority. Brexit meant different things to different people which is why the vote was flawed in the first place.
Norway, Switzerland and Iceland are not in the EU but have freedom of movement.
 
Whilst the majority of leave voters probably agree with you and would want to leave the single market etc, I suspect there's a significant minority of leave voters who would like to stay in the single market. If you combine them with remain voters, I strongly believe a majority of the total electorate would prefer a soft Brexit.

It just wasn't made explicit during the referendum campaign that Leave meant leaving the single market. It wasnt explicit in the referendum question. During the campaign there was plenty of talk of German car makers, French cheese and wine producers etc ensuring we would continue to enjoy the trade benefits of the single market.

If the referendum question had asked "Do you want the UK to leave the EU and single market?" I doubt that Leave would have achieved more than 40% of the vote.
 
You are saying that everyone who voted Brexit was voting against free movement. I am saying that wasn't the main consideration for a significant minority. Brexit meant different things to different people which is why the vote was flawed in the first place.
Norway, Switzerland and Iceland are not in the EU but have freedom of movement.

Be careful quoting examples you are not fully clued up on.
Ask Bulgaria and Rumania or Croatia if they are enjoying freedom of movement with non-eu Switzerland.
 
It just wasn't made explicit during the referendum campaign that Leave meant leaving the single market. It wasnt explicit in the referendum question. During the campaign there was plenty of talk of German car makers, French cheese and wine producers etc ensuring we would continue to enjoy the trade benefits of the single market.

If the referendum question had asked "Do you want the UK to leave the EU and single market?" I doubt that Leave would have achieved more than 40% of the vote.
LOL

Nobody said except these people

 
It just wasn't made explicit during the referendum campaign that Leave meant leaving the single market. It wasnt explicit in the referendum question. During the campaign there was plenty of talk of German car makers, French cheese and wine producers etc ensuring we would continue to enjoy the trade benefits of the single market.

If the referendum question had asked "Do you want the UK to leave the EU and single market?" I doubt that Leave would have achieved more than 40% of the vote.


You cannot leave the EU and remain in the single market so the question is nonsense.
 
You are saying that everyone who voted Brexit was voting against free movement. I am saying that wasn't the main consideration for a significant minority. Brexit meant different things to different people which is why the vote was flawed in the first place.
Norway, Switzerland and Iceland are not in the EU but have freedom of movement.

People have voted for 2 parties who have pledged specifically an end to free movement. The majority of MPs who vote to keep freedom of movement would lose their seats, if you want to leave you can't keep access to single access and freedom of movement, it's the whole point.
 
If two options were on the table one with some compromise on free movement and access to the single market and a second with no access to the single market and no free movement , I'm pretty confident the majority of MP's would vote for option 1. Don't think the 2nd option would have more than 200 MP s supporting it.

it would, because most who voted for option 1 would lose their seats and would be fully aware of it.

Trade deal as tariff free as possible and end to free movement for coming here to work and live is the best remainers can hope for, that's what Labour and Tory voters have committed to by their voting on Thursday. No free movement so no single market unless the EU have a brainfart (which they won't).
 
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