Post Match Thread: Election 2017

[aguero93:20]

No. You don't understand his point.

Other countries bill the U.K. For the cost of UK citizens expenses. The UK doesn't bill other EU countries back.

That's nobodies fault but your own then.

 

[SWP's back]

Eh....
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/women-now-prove-theyve-been-10170629

Pushed through as an amendment so it didn't have to pass a vote as well, you'd think they had a history of turning a blind eye to kiddy fiddlers and rapists as well...

Read your own link, or get your carer to read it to you.

You stated:

Well let's see, didn't the Tories pass a law that stopped parents of children born from rape receiving child benefit in 2013?

The thing you are talking about is the exact opposite of that.

 

[SWP's back]

That's nobodies fault but your own then.

Strawman that I won't engage, you tried to pull him up on something where he was in fact correct. No one is arguing that it's anyone else's fault.

You're zero from two in the last few pages.

 

[aguero93:20]

Read your own link, or get your carer to read it to you.

You stated:



The thing you are talking about is the exact opposite of that.

Ah well sorry, maybe I should have said "put mothers of children born from rape through a load of trauma by invasive interviews with unqualified staff to get child benefit for their children"? That's completely right, fair and moral?

 

[aguero93:20]

Strawman that I won't engage, you tried to pull him up on something where he was in fact correct. No one is arguing that it's anyone else's fault.

You're zero from two in the last few pages.

As I said, everyone pays EU health insurance. Everyone gets treated at point of care. If the UK don't want to bill over it then fair dues, I respect that. Doesn't give you grounds for complaint though.

 

[SWP's back]

Ah well sorry, maybe I should have said "put mothers of children born from rape through a load of trauma by invasive interviews with unqualified staff to get child benefit for their children"? That's completely right, fair and moral?

It's better than forcing a woman to go through with an unwanted pregnancy yes.

It's also very understandable, the non means tested limit of kids that receive child benefit is two children. The government however wouldn't deny child benefit for a third child if it was born from a rape. Of course there would be a form to fill out.

 

[Metal Biker]

Ah well sorry, maybe I should have said "put mothers of children born from rape through a load of trauma by invasive interviews with unqualified staff to get child benefit for their children"? That's completely right, fair and moral?

So we approve claims just by the claimants word? Filling out a form to provide minor details they need to process your claim is 'traumatic'?

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/606978/nnc1.pdf

Reading that it appears the healthcare professional third party makes the claim on the claimants behalf so as to limit any psychological harm they may experience. The third party simply needs a signed statement that all information made in the claim is correct.

 

[SWP's back]

As I said, everyone pays EU health insurance. Everyone gets treated at point of care. If the UK don't want to bill over it then fair dues, I respect that. Doesn't give you grounds for complaint though.

Who was complaining? He mentioned the fact that the government could and should claim back £400m per year.

You got confused. I explained it.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

So when the NHS collapses what takes over?

How does private health provision actually work?

Very well to be honest.

 

[aguero93:20]

It's better than forcing a woman to go through with an unwanted pregnancy yes.

It's also very understandable, the non means tested limit of kids that receive child benefit is two children. The government however wouldn't not pay child benefit for a third child if it was born from a rape. Of course there would be a form to fill out.

And a lengthy interview with DWP officers, completely unqualified to do the job, 8 forms too, all designed to obstruct rape victims. Scummy fucking behavior and has no more place in the modern world than the DUP's worse policies. Don't forget they took advantage of a loophole to push it through without a vote as an amendment.

 

[SWP's back]

So we approve claims just by the claimants word? Filling out a form to provide minor details they need to process your claim is 'traumatic'?

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/606978/nnc1.pdf

Haha. Jesus. When I read "8 page" form, I didn't know that page 1-5 was simply name and address. He's on a sticky wicket is 93:20 and wasn't sure of the law.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I'll go even further

Means test pensions.
If you're minted why do you want money off the state?

It's the biggest part of the welfare benefits bill.

Seriously? What is the point of saving for your pension if the Government does this? Even the most right wing politician would shoot this one down in flames. A worse idea than the dementia tax. Pensions are taxable income. The state pension is taxable income. Anybody who has a great pension pays more tax.
The winter fuel allowance is not taxable - it probably should be - though means testing is ridiculous IMO it will hardly save anything (viz making the Winter Fuel Allowance a Winter Fuel Payment and therefore taxable).

 

[aguero93:20]

Who was complaining? He mentioned the fact that the government could and should claim back £400m per year.

You got confused. I explained it.

He was complaining. Realise you don't really see this, as it seems to be a bit of a national sport for quite a few.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Ah well sorry, maybe I should have said "put mothers of children born from rape through a load of trauma by invasive interviews with unqualified staff to get child benefit for their children"? That's completely right, fair and moral?

You have lost me. They get benefit if they have to go though this horrible situation, but have to fill in a form. And? I guess nothing horrible has ever happened to you

 

[SWP's back]

And a lengthy interview with DWP officers, completely unqualified to do the job, 8 forms too, all designed to obstruct rape victims. Scummy fucking behavior and has no more place in the modern world than the DUP's worse policies. Don't forget they took advantage of a loophole to push it through without a vote as an amendment.

One form. Of 8 pages. There's a link to it above. Not 8 forms. Just read you own fucking link before typing.

Christ man, you're not knocking over the stereotype of being eejits are you.

Why wouldn't there be a form? Child benefit is worth over £12k. You really think we'd just take someone's word for it? Why even bother with fucking trials in that case. We could save a fortune in the courts by just asking someone if they were being truthful and not request anything further.

Jog on.

 

[Metal Biker]

Haha. Jesus. When I read "8 page" form, I didn't know that page 1-5 was simply name and address. He's on a sticky wicket is 93:20 and wasn't sure of the law.

All these 'unqualified members of the DWP' can process it for the claimant;

a healthcare professional in a Sexual Assault Referral Centre, or other healthcare professionals, such as a doctor, midwife, nurse or health visitor
a registered social worker
a specialist support worker from an approved organisation as listed on
www.gov.uk/government/publications/support-for-a-child-conceived-without-your-consent

These people aren't qualified to know what they're doing and victims are suffering unneeded trauma because of it... wait...

 

[aguero93:20]

So we approve claims just by the claimants word? Filling out a form to provide minor details they need to process your claim is 'traumatic'?

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/606978/nnc1.pdf

Reading that it appears the healthcare professional third party makes the claim on the claimants behalf so as to limit any psychological harm they may experience. The third party simply needs a signed statement that all information made in the claim is correct.

No, you pay child benefit to make sure children have the necessary minimum quality of life, so they don't have to go to food banks just to get fed, while cunts on millions pay less tax. Is this so hard to understand?

 

[jay_mcfc]

So Jeremy Hunt keeps his job. The Tories are so far away from reality and they are digger a bigger and bigger grave.

 

[aguero93:20]

One form. Of 8 pages. There's a link to it above. Not 8 forms. Just read you own fucking link before typing.

Christ man, you're not knocking over the stereotype of being eejits are you.

Why wouldn't there be a form? Child benefit is with over £12k. You really think we'd just take someone's word for it? Why even bother with fucking trials in that case. We could save a fortune in the courts by just asking someone if they were being truthful and not request anything further.

Jog on.

Why should it be a question? Why does the third child have no right to support from the state? Seriously, go have some fucking kids yourself and maybe you'll start to realise that there needs to be a safety net when you realise just how fragile things are.

I'm out. Jog on.

 

[SWP's back]

And a lengthy interview with DWP officers, completely unqualified to do the job

Interview? You mean this from your link:

"On top of that, mothers must provide supporting evidence - a declaration from a doctor, social worker or healthcare professional from a Sexual Support Referral Centre."

Yeah. They don't sound like the sort of people trained to deal with rape victims.