Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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I do hope that when negotiating with the medieval savages of the DUP Theresa sticks to the idea of "no deal being better than a bad deal"
 
After reading lizzies speach is being delayed, I have a question...

Why the fuck are we still writing it on goatskin, is it the middle ages?
And shirley the palace can afford microsoft word and a printer.
 
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Damocles said:
Because Corbyn COULD have won. The PLP fucked him, we didn't manage to shake the terrorist label and we didn't put across how well costed the costed manifesto was.

He had a Trump or Sanders like momentum and because we're idiots, the Labour Party decided to fight the wave of enthusiasm rather than ride it. If they would have ridden it, if the terrorism stuff hadn't hit so hard, and yes, if the Manifesto was a bit more centrist then we could well have been looking at a Labour majority today.

But they didn't, it didn't, and we didn't so we've lost the election by 60 seats and people are fucked for 5 more years. The next step has got to be looking where we go from here and I've explained previously that if Corbyn acted as kingmaker to a more electable candidate, perhaps Lewis or if we're staying in this level of socialism than maybe Burgon, then it could be a good thing in the end. He should obviously stay where he is for a few months at least to see what the next Government looks like though.

And for all that is holy, he needs to start backing a 2nd Referendum and backing it strong. It doesn't matter about voters now and previous statements, if we can convince the nation that Leave was purely a Tory thing then we can make this an albatross around their necks for generations to come.
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No, still don't get it. PLP against Corbyn for all the reasons you're saying - he was unelectable and we were letting down the vulnerable by having leftist (or leftish) policies. Once the election was called and the manifesto was exciting and the Tories just went full nasty, and a whole new generation of voters (not just the young who would benefit from free uni tuition) was enthused - the result was surely as good as you could have hoped for when you voted for Corbyn last time. But the thing is you seem to think it's for 5 years and it might not be 5 weeks.

I'm torn now. Election next month with May still there or in the autumn when they've had a much bloodier leadership election, and it could be Boris or Gove, and they're still touting cliff edge Brexit. I bet they'd try to have the election just before freshers week in Canterbury. But we know who'll be leader of the Labour party so the PLP and most of his critics will be on board. Whether I'd risk the "momentum" on offering a second referendum I'm not sure. I'm actually waiting to see what the EU negotiators offer - maybe it will be an offer we can't refuse.
 
This may be an unpopular view here at the socialist worker community forum, but in the pretty unlikely event that Corbyn does somehow manage to shoehorn is way into No. 10, it really is a ****ing disgrace.

Labour polled 40.0% of the vote as opposed to Conservative 42.4%, and got 262 seats vs 318.

Corbyn sitting in No. 10 would feel to me pretty much how I would imagine any Brexit supporter would have felt if the government just said, we've decided not to leave the EU, since 48.1% voted to remain.

The electorate have voted and they have voted to NOT have Jeremy Corbyn in No.10

He should sit down and shut up. And bide his time until next time.
 
Chippy_boy said:
This may be an unpopular view here at the socialist worker community forum, but in the pretty unlikely event that Corbyn does somehow manage to shoehorn is way into No. 10, it really is a ****ing disgrace.

Labour polled 40.0% of the vote as opposed to Conservative 42.4%, and got 262 seats vs 318.

Corbyn sitting in No. 10 would feel to me pretty much how I would imagine any Brexit supporter would have felt if the government just said, we've decided not to leave the EU, since 48.1% voted to remain.

The electorate have voted and they have voted to NOT have Jeremy Corbyn in No.10

He should sit down and shut up. And bide his time until next time.
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Good point. I think it's kind of the view that, to form a minority Government you need to have enough confidence of other parties to have a "majority confidence" in the house.

Short of having a second vote between just Labour and Tory (which might be a viable option), it is effectively that, since you can assume people who voted Lib Dem/SNP would support Labour over Tory.

That raises a point actually - there's no point having a second general election, but to be fair to all, they could keep the seats as is, but have the people vote between the two largest parties as to who forms a minority Government - Labour or Tory.
 
Len Rum said:
LOL.
Apparently it's back off again.
They've sorted out the parchment problem, but still need agreement with the UDA.
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CitizenTID said:
Good point. I think it's kind of the view that, to form a minority Government you need to have enough confidence of other parties to have a "majority confidence" in the house.

Short of having a second vote between just Labour and Tory (which might be a viable option), it is effectively that, since you can assume people who voted Lib Dem/SNP would support Labour over Tory.

That raises a point actually - there's no point having a second general election, but to be fair to all, they could keep the seats as is, but have the people vote between the two largest parties as to who forms a minority Government - Labour or Tory.
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What's the problem? You have first past the post, you occasionally get this; you have a proportional system and you get it all the time, and you get used to it. Merkel's party doesn't have a majority in Germany.
 
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