John Stones - 2016/17 performances

[CityAcrossThePond]

And yet with Vincent and Otamendi we looked far more solid. You've used no sample size to throw a wild claim and have nothing to back it up with.

Genius.

I've no sample size either - just an impression.

Otter's biggest problem is that he's hyper aggressive - diving into tackles, making unnecessary challenges upfield.

Stone's biggest problem is consistency - playing a good/great game - and then makes a huge, huge blunder - no look pass straight to the opposition or some sort of miss-hit pass - again straight to the opponents. These gaffs are very severe - most often leading to an immediate scoring opportunity for our opponents. And the worst thing is that Stones seems to make these daft plays once per game - maybe gifting our opponents between 1/2 to 1/8 goals every time he starts.
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Under Kompany, Otters has settled down - not making daft challenges - perhaps because he trusts Kompany.

Under Kompany, Stones.... we'll I actually have no idea. But those bonehead, moments - are maybe not at all due to whom Stones is paired with - maybe it's just something currently intrinsic to Stone's game - e.g., keeping total focus and concentration throughout the full 90.
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This I do know - Pep has seen both Otters and Stones over a long period of time both in practice and in match games. If Stones isn't preferred over Otters when Kompany is fit.... then there's a good reason for this - Pep rates Otters over Stones.

 

[City_Sean]

I've no sample size either - just an impression.

Otter's biggest problem is that he's hyper aggressive - diving into tackles, making unnecessary challenges upfield.

Stone's biggest problem is consistency - playing a good/great game - and then makes a huge, huge blunder - no look pass straight to the opposition or some sort of miss-hit pass - again straight to the opponents. These gaffs are very severe - most often leading to an immediate scoring opportunity for our opponents. And the worst thing is that Stones seems to make these daft plays once per game - maybe gifting our opponents between 1/2 to 1/8 goals every time he starts.
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Under Kompany, Otters has settled down - not making daft challenges - perhaps because he trusts Kompany.

Under Kompany, Stones.... we'll I actually have no idea. But those bonehead, moments - are maybe not at all due to whom Stones is paired with - maybe it's just something currently intrinsic to Stone's game - e.g., keeping total focus and concentration throughout the full 90.
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This I do know - Pep has seen both Otters and Stones over a long period of time both in practice and in match games. If Stones isn't preferred over Otters when Kompany is fit.... then there's a good reason for this - Pep rates Otters over Stones.

I just think Otamendi is better suited to playing alongside Vincent Kompany at this point. Stones will get there.

 

[CityAcrossThePond]

I just think Otamendi is better suited to playing alongside Vincent Kompany at this point. Stones will get there.

+1
I hope so :-)

 

[domalino]

I just think Otamendi is better suited to playing alongside Vincent Kompany at this point. Stones will get there.

He'll get there from day one of next season.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

I've no sample size either - just an impression.

Otter's biggest problem is that he's hyper aggressive - diving into tackles, making unnecessary challenges upfield.

Stone's biggest problem is consistency - playing a good/great game - and then makes a huge, huge blunder - no look pass straight to the opposition or some sort of miss-hit pass - again straight to the opponents. These gaffs are very severe - most often leading to an immediate scoring opportunity for our opponents. And the worst thing is that Stones seems to make these daft plays once per game - maybe gifting our opponents between 1/2 to 1/8 goals every time he starts.
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Under Kompany, Otters has settled down - not making daft challenges - perhaps because he trusts Kompany.

Under Kompany, Stones.... we'll I actually have no idea. But those bonehead, moments - are maybe not at all due to whom Stones is paired with - maybe it's just something currently intrinsic to Stone's game - e.g., keeping total focus and concentration throughout the full 90.
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This I do know - Pep has seen both Otters and Stones over a long period of time both in practice and in match games. If Stones isn't preferred over Otters when Kompany is fit.... then there's a good reason for this - Pep rates Otters over Stones.

You forgot to mention Stones running away from strikers to the point where he's almost on his own goal line. I'm all for defenders jockeying players, I wish Otamendi would do it more, but Stones takes it to ridiculous extremes sometimes.

 

[BigOscar]

Yeah I honestly think it's making excuses to say Stones just needs a world class CB alongside him. Most of his problems have just been terrible individual defending by him, maybe a world class partner papers over the cracks a bit better, but he'd still be making the same mistakes. He needs to improve a lot

 

[Dipsis_LTU_MC]

Will he start tonight for England?

 

[Rolee]

Yeah I honestly think it's making excuses to say Stones just needs a world class CB alongside him. Most of his problems have just been terrible individual defending by him, maybe a world class partner papers over the cracks a bit better, but he'd still be making the same mistakes. He needs to improve a lot

No one's making excuses, just an observation based on how much Otamendi seemingly improved with Kompany next to him and the fact that Stones hasn't had the benefit of that, yet. I think it's fair to suggest we may see a much more composed Stones with a leader beside him, like we have seen a much more composed Otter.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

No one's making excuses, just an observation based on how much Otamendi seemingly improved with Kompany next to him and the fact that Stones hasn't had the benefit of that, yet. I think it's fair to suggest we may see a much more composed Stones with a leader beside him, like we have seen a much more composed Otter.

They both need guiding through matches. Probably less worrying for Stones with him being young, it's a real problem IMO for Otamendi at 29. Will be interesting to see Stones get a run alongside Kompany (fingers crossed and all that) and see whether he looks improved alongside him as much as Otamendi did at the end of the season.

 

[RayCTID]

Will he start tonight for England?

Yes and it looks like he could be part of a back 3 rather than the holding role as first expected. Whether he can adapt to the national teams tactics is another matter.

 

[RandomJ]

Yes and it looks like he could be part of a back 3 rather than the holding role as first expected. Whether he can adapt to the national teams tactics is another matter.

Hard for anyone to adopt to such groundbreaking tactics like putting Rashford at right wing and getting him to take the corners. Truly revolutionary.

 

[RayCTID]

Hard for anyone to adopt to such groundbreaking tactics like putting Rashford at right wing and getting him to take the corners. Truly revolutionary.

It's a step up from Harry Kane but it still hardly free flowing football.

 

[mosssideblue]

I don't see it personally. Otamendi and Vinny look far more solid than Vinny and Stones.

I would agree

 

[citizens_1976]

I might be the first blue to say it, but I feel for Stones' City Career. I don't think he is good enough defensively. Needs to seriously improve if he stands a chance of holding down a place for City.

 

[Hamsterdam95]

I might be the first blue to say it, but I feel for Stones' City Career. I don't think he is good enough defensively. Needs to seriously improve if he stands a chance of holding down a place for City.

You don't need two dominating CB's, if he is paired with Vinny, he is a valuable asset to the team. He is really calm on the ball and that is huge asset when we are being pressed. But I'm inclined to agree, he needs massive work on his defensive game. At this point, he is miles away from where a City CB should be defensively. I like to describe him as someone who is a clueless defensively as Mangala was on the ball. Imagine someone with Mangala's physicality and Stones composure, sad that Barca bought him last year.

 

[City_Sean]

He's got a lot to learn. He makes some horrendous mistakes, and I'm not convinced he's that better now than he was two years ago.

 

[domalino]

I don't know why I'm surprised to see it on here, but you'd think City fans of all people wouldn't be so easily swayed by idiotic commentating.


Today he's been fucked over by Cahill playing France in behind twice, Dier going completely AWOL in midfield and not tracking runners, and Jones not actually doing anything at all.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Nastasic Part Deux.

Only question is how long does Pep give him to develop his head?

 

[City_Sean]

I don't know why I'm surprised to see it on here, but you'd think City fans of all people wouldn't be so easily swayed by idiotic commentating.


Today he's been fucked over by Cahill playing France in behind twice, Dier going completely AWOL in midfield and not tracking runners, and Jones not actually doing anything at all.

You need to actually watch games. He constantly dives in, and makes horrendous mistakes. That doesn't mean we don't rate him, we just don't believe he's immune from criticism. He's got a lot to learn to be an elite CB.

 

[Hamsterdam95]

You need to actually watch games. He constantly dives in, and makes horrendous mistakes. That doesn't mean we don't rate him, we just don't believe he's immune from criticism. He's got a lot to learn to be an elite CB.

Just leave him alone, he's spent the last year defending every mistake Stones has made. He has got a irrational love for him. He has potential but right now he is miles away from our standard.