Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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Damocles said:
He didn't suggest there's mechanisms for equal wealth distribution in capitalism, he said that capitalism means the ability to create wealth by everybody. Not EQUAL wealth by everybody.
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He stated....
capitalism is about wealth creation for all.
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But capitalism is not about wealth creation for all, that is simply a fact. If you are saying capitalism allows individuals as private owners to pursue profit, that is true, in most cases, but that is not what he said or the gist of his post.

In my reply I did not suggest equal wealth for everybody, I stated an equitable distribution of wealth...

Equitable means fair, impartial, or proportionate.
 
Damocles said:
Maybe with all those cuts the Tory cabinet have side job as firefighters?
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But it's not the government saying this, It's the DUP.

On an interesting side note,....

Government endangering tower blocks by delaying fire safety regulations review....

http://www.frmjournal.com/news/news_detail.government-endangering-tower-blocks-by-delaying-fire-safety-regulations-review.html?_tkn=D4B9696E-F65B-460F-A99C52A8B46A77D6

Hello, hello...Gavin Barwell no less! May's new chief of staff.

Theresa May's chief of staff 'sat on' report warning high-rise blocks like Grenfell Tower were vulnerable to fire....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-mays-chief-staff-sat-10620357
 
Bluemanc100 said:
I disagree with the sentiment of that video... Corbyn made promises he can't keep therefore caused mass hysteria (the proof is in the pudding) and May ran a shambolic non-campaign... it's skewed perspective

IMHO

Regardless, the young vote that he will no doubt access in another imminent election will likely get him into power..... the blind leading the blind.........
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'Mass hysteria' ffs?
 
Damocles said:
He didn't suggest there's mechanisms for equal wealth distribution in capitalism, he said that capitalism means the ability to create wealth by everybody. Not EQUAL wealth by everybody.
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He didn't say by everybody. He said for all. Patently not the case. In a wholly capitalist economy it requires the strong capitalists to exploit the weak workers. That is why a socialist element is required in all capitalist economies to temper the excesses of unbridled capitalism and to make sure that everybody does indeed benefit from the wealth that capitalism creates.
 
Damocles said:
He didn't suggest there's mechanisms for equal wealth distribution in capitalism, he said that capitalism means the ability to create wealth by everybody. Not EQUAL wealth by everybody.
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Your definition literally means 'more money'. In relation to what or whom?

If you have £50 more to spend a month, you have wealth compared to last.

This is the economic version of the American blurb 'access to healthcare'.

Nonsense.
 
The perfect fumble said:
You're the blind one I'm afraid....
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No, you are. Moreover, your brain is overrun with socialist dogma. Compare my posts, where I am critical of my side's performance and some of the doctrines. To yours, where there has been not so much as an atom of reflection on your part that so much as a syllable you've uttered could possibly, just possibly be not quite right.

You have a completely closed mind, whereas others on here do not. It undermines your arguments to the point of making them worthless. They just get filed under the "bigot who doesn't listen" bin.
 
Chippy_boy said:
No, you are. Moreover, your brain is overrun with socialist dogma. Compare my posts, where I am critical of my side's performance and some of the doctrines. To yours, where there has been not so much as an atom of reflection on your part that so much as a syllable you've uttered could possibly, just possibly be not quite right.

You have a completely closed mind, whereas others on here do not. It undermines your arguments to the point of making them worthless. They just get filed under the "bigot who doesn't listen" bin.
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I believe in social justice and you don't know what it means.
 
The perfect fumble said:
And you think unsubstantiated opinion deserves respect.

It doesn't.

PS: Did you watch the video?...



I'd love to hear your critique.
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No, you wouldn't. You'd just resort to insults or some other dismissive shite because you are not prepared to listen to anyone. You're a waste of my time.

Throw in the odd "hmmmm, you have a point" type comments, say 1 in every 1,000 and perhaps I might start to take you a bit seriously. Until then, no.
 
RE: The political chat about cuts surrounding the London fire incident (that is being kept out of that thread) - the Greater Manchester Fire & Rescue chief was saying at the time of the enormous cuts they were looking at (a few years ago) that he was going to make the point to them that it was putting the public at risk. Pretty sure he said they wouldn't be able to cover what they needed across Greater Manchester.

So I think this London fire is a legitimate thing to discuss in the context of public services cuts. We've seen now the enormous pressures and failings in police, health and fire now. Utterly shameful from this Tory Govt. imo.
 
goalmole said:
He didn't say by everybody. He said for all. Patently not the case. In a wholly capitalist economy it requires the strong capitalists to exploit the weak workers. That is why a socialist element is required in all capitalist economies to temper the excesses of unbridled capitalism and to make sure that everybody does indeed benefit from the wealth that capitalism creates.
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I read the original ("capitalism is about wealth creation for all") to mean "everyone can become wealthy" not "everyone will have the same wealth" or "will be wealthy".
 
CitizenTID said:
RE: The political chat about cuts surrounding the London fire incident (that is being kept out of that thread)
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Except its not being kept out of thread at all, apart from 1 post, the only ones removed are the ones with petty bickering, a reasonable request was made to keep it non political, the one post removed wasn't "reasonable".

This though is the correct thread for political argument so well done.
 
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