Well that's a different matter we go straight to 10 bar but obviously the higher it is the more pressure you'll need, all they can do is boost the water supply in the area, as you know a pump can only give so much, fighting on multiple levels would be a fucking nightmare.That would sound about right. The PDA over here in Ireland would be the same as we generally copy almost word for word the UKs standard operational guidines. Even a standard domestic fire had a 2 pump PDA, to say only 1 pump was dispatched initially would be completely untrue. As you quite rightly say the building would have a high riser( charged from the aplliances pump or from the mains?) Would you get enough pressure from the hydrants in england to keep the line charged all the way to top of the building.
Actually if you check, my stance is consistent, in the recent terrorist attack threads we have also asked for politics, and/or reaction to the attack be kept out of the thread, and to keep the thread for news.
I can easily make it so, by thread banning people, so far I haven't.
This is obviously a tragic event, so show some respect, the time for recriminations is when the facts are known, the only known facts right now, are a major fire took place, it took hold very quickly, 6 are known to be dead, 74 injured, and 20 critical, the cause of the fire, what caused it to take hold so quickly etc etc are for the future.
Jesus yes. Every compartment with potential for flashover. structural collapse, Bridgeheads to be established, even coms would be a huge challenge.Well that's a different matter we go straight to 10 bar but obviously the higher it is the more pressure you'll need, all they can do is boost the water supply in the area, as you know a pump can only give so much, fighting on multiple levels would be a fucking nightmare.
AGAIN - can we keep the thread for news please.
If you wish to talk politics use the threads available.
You are of course free to state whatever you like.
But the idea that I and others show disrespect to the dead and injured, by talking about the possible causes, is frankly bizarre and insulting.
Anyways, as you state, you have the magic ban button and I don't, so onwards but not upwards.
Looking at it your bridgehead is the bottom floor mate, fighting one floor at a time, it sounds like they had one central staircase so coupled with people coming down and firefighters going up it would be a fucking nightmare.Jesus yes. Every compartment with potential for flashover. structural collapse, Bridgeheads to be established, even coms would be a huge challenge.
No, I just reasonably asked for people to keep politics out of it, its not the time nor place for using this thread as a political one.So, they are discussing already what could have caused it, but you want to censure that?
What are you on about?II will and would appreciate the same from you.
It is horrible to imagine being involved in something like this, and what would you do if it was you.Back on topic, reading about a guy catching a two year old baby thrown to safety by parents. I can't begin to comprehend how distressed one must be to throw a child out of the window into the arms of a stranger, for its own safety. Horrendous stuff.
Jesus yes. Every compartment with potential for flashover. structural collapse, Bridgeheads to be established, even coms would be a huge challenge.
dont think any amount of training would prepare you for an incident Like this . Are you running with 300 bar BA cylinders. We have them but only used in training as yet.Looking at it your bridgehead is the bottom floor mate, fighting one floor at a time, it sounds like they had one central staircase so coupled with people coming down and firefighters going up it would be a fucking nightmare.
I can't even imagine the pressure of trying to catch the child either.It is horrible to imagine being involved in something like this, and what would you do if it was you.
Hadn't really thought of that to be honest, but yes its an incredible thing to have to do.I can't even imagine the pressure of trying to catch the child either.
What are you on about?
I've posted once, didn't quote you and simply asked to keep the thread on topic as you and another were having a petty squabble despite Cleavers requesting to keep the thread on track.
And now I've had to reply again as you're 'requesting the same from me'. Just stop arguing with everyone and no one would have to ask or reply.
Back on topic, reading about a guy catching a two year old baby thrown to safety by parents. I can't begin to comprehend how distressed one must be to throw a child out of the window into the arms of a stranger, for its own safety. Horrendous stuff.
I can't even imagine the pressure of trying to catch the child either.
A councillor on TV this morning mentioned the building had been assessed by the Fire brigade after the upgrades and deemed safe. I hope she got that wrong, in some ways.This is on the landlords and those who fail to ensure they enforce regulations, not just legal but fucking decent ones that will alert people, save lives and properly reduce the chances of a fire being able to spread.ive just woke up to this and I read the action group page and I'm sickened that they were shouting from the rooftops that this would happen and nobody listened.
Jail should await those negligible
yes this would be best practice. Will become part of regs eventually. Unfortunately like everything else lives have to be lost before action is taken.A sprinkler system.
In the UK, before approved Document B came into effect in 2001 as part of the Building Regs , it wasn't a requirement to fit sprinklers to a high rise residential building, only a recommendation. Even with Doc B, the current requirement is only for buildings above 30m in height, and there is no requirement to protect common areas, like hallways, foyers and communal storage areas. Current new build / refurbished high rise residential buildings are now being fitted with sprinkler systems, but literally hundreds of older high rise buildings are unprotected.
Its also worth noting that, for nearly 50 years now, in North America, Canada, and many European countries, you cannot build a residential block (no matter how high) without a full sprinkler system in place.
Always have had them mate for years now.dont think any amount of training would prepare you for an incident Like this . Are you running with 300 bar BA cylinders. We have them but only used in training as yet.
probably complied with the existing regulations. Wouldn't read too much into that.A councillor on TV this morning mentioned the building had been assessed by the Fire brigade after the upgrades and deemed safe. I hope she got that wrong, in some ways.
I can't even imagine the pressure of trying to catch the child either.
Hadn't really thought of that to be honest, but yes its an incredible thing to have to do.
Catching must be bad enough but throwing your own baby from the 9th or 10th floor i've read!! Christ knows what's going through someones head when they do that, shows the desperation i suppose.