Grenfell Tower block disaster

mancityvstoke said:
Victoria Ave ..opposite the Golf course

Fucking bomb factory the other week now this....time to fuck off
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Ah right ok. Go running around the golf course from the clough. I know what you mean though, not sure i could live in one tbh, brother in law does, top floor of the ones in Broughton near the old rialto. Bet he's having second thoughts about it now.
 
SpiritofBurnden said:
Eye witness on 5Live saying that the fire was spreading up the outside of the building via the cladding.
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I live on the 27th floor of an 87-storey building here and two of the neighbouring skyscrapers have had severe cladding fires in the last couple of years. But neither of them spread through the interiors of the buildings, meaning everyone got out okay.

I'm no expert, but that seems to be the real fault with what's happened today in London. The outside of the building being on fire shouldn't translate into the horrors that we've been hearing about on the inside. Something else has gone very, very wrong.
 
Dubai Blue said:
I live on the 27th floor of an 87-storey building here and two of the neighbouring skyscrapers have had severe cladding fires in the last couple of years. But neither of them spread through the interiors of the buildings, meaning everyone got out okay.

I'm no expert, but that seems to be the real fault with what's happened today in London. The outside of the building being on fire shouldn't translate into the horrors that we've been hearing about on the inside. Something else has gone very, very wrong.
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Does you building have air con? Windows open?
 
Dubai Blue said:
I live on the 27th floor of an 87-storey building here and two of the neighbouring skyscrapers have had severe cladding fires in the last couple of years. But neither of them spread through the interiors of the buildings, meaning everyone got out okay.

I'm no expert, but that seems to be the real fault with what's happened today in London. The outside of the building being on fire shouldn't translate into the horrors that we've been hearing about on the inside. Something else has gone very, very wrong.
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Being in Dubai, I imagine their windows were closed due to the air conditioning - if the windows were open in the flats last night could the fire have got in by setting light to the curtains(some suggested that on the radio as windows are open in the summer)
 
mancityvstoke said:
If there are windows open isn't that a way in? Melting UPVC frames maybe?

This cladding stuff needs looking at seriously now
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Yes, of course. The fires can get inside but they are quickly isolated once all the other built-in fire-suppression measures kick in. That's where things have failed so catastrophically in London today.

Certainly agree with you about the need to review the materials used. Some of the materials that have been used over here are a disgrace.
 
Dubai Blue said:
I live on the 27th floor of an 87-storey building here and two of the neighbouring skyscrapers have had severe cladding fires in the last couple of years. But neither of them spread through the interiors of the buildings, meaning everyone got out okay.

I'm no expert, but that seems to be the real fault with what's happened today in London. The outside of the building being on fire shouldn't translate into the horrors that we've been hearing about on the inside. Something else has gone very, very wrong.
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One thing that may, and I stress may, be a contributing factor, is that in London when there is warm day/night (as last night), everyone opens their windows as there is no air conditioning, whilst in Dubai, you probably don't have windows that open, because air conditioning is standard.

I'm on the 3rd floor of an apartment block, and last night we left both the front balcony patio style door, and rear bedroom window open, so if a fire starts elsewhere in my block my fire door might not be much use, as a fire could get inside through the window, and also a fire in the flat would be fueled by the flow of air through it, possibly putting my neighbours at greater risk, though we all do the same.
 
mancityvstoke said:
Does you building have air con? Windows open?
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This on the BBC about the Dubai fire

In Dubai, recent high-rise building fires, including at the 79-storey Torch Skyscraper in 2015, spread because of cladding, according to fire engineering consultancy Tenable Dubai.

But these fires caused no fatalities because the design and construction of the buildings allowed firefighters to battle the blaze and residents to evacuate via smoke-free, fire-free safety zones, it says.

"All the fires here lasted for six or seven hours but occupants managed to evacuate successfully and all fires were extinguished with no loss of life," says Sam Alcock, the firm's director.

"In my opinion, design and construction is what saved lives."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40273714
 
Blue Hefner said:
Being in Dubai, I imagine their windows were closed due to the air conditioning - if the windows were open in the flats last night could the fire have got in by setting light to the curtains(some suggested that on the radio as windows are open in the summer)
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Sorry, I didn't explain it very well. In both cases here, the fire did get inside the building (that's where they both started). But they didn't spread from apartment to apartment on the inside. They looked horrendous from the outside because all the cladding was on fire, but relatively few units were actually damaged on the inside.
 
Dubai Blue said:
Yes, of course. The fires can get inside but they are quickly isolated once all the other built-in fire-suppression measures kick in.
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That would be great if there were built in fire suppression measures, in most of the UK there isn't any. My block is only 6 years old, 6 storey, but there are no fire suppression measures, no central alarm, and no extinguishers either, and like this block in London, our instructions are to remain where we are until told otherwise.
 
cleavers said:
That would be great if there were built in fire suppression measures, in most of the UK there isn't any. My block is only 6 years old, 6 storey, but there are no fire suppression measures, no central alarm, and no extinguishers either, and like this block in London, our instructions are to remain where we are until told otherwise.
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Agree completely. It's shocking that those things aren't compulsory over there. But even without them, fire shouldn't be able to spread so quickly from apartment to apartment. And the central staircase shouldn't be compromised. Seems that there were lots of failings. And criminally, it seems that they were all well known.
 
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