Kyle Walker

[blue b4 the moon]

It's all bollocks, Joe Hart is an England regular and a Prem starter but even with 'English' tax and bear in mind he's probably got as many years still left in him as Walker we can't nail £40m or so. In fact nowhere near.

My opinion is chuck £30m (it's all Monopoly money to you and me anyway) down with a few add-ons...CL etc. If the baldy one doesn't like it, leave him high and dry with an unhappy player.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Played less than a quarter of the games last season.

and ? it doesnt mean he's not good player. as i said they are both good players.

 

[p.taker]

It's all bollocks, Joe Hart is an England regular and a Prem starter but even with 'English' tax and bear in mind he's probably got as many years still left in him as Walker we can't nail £40m or so. In fact nowhere near.

My opinion is chuck £30m (it's all Monopoly money to you and me anyway) down with a few add-ons...CL etc. If the baldy one doesn't like it, leave him high and dry with an unhappy player.

Walker is younger, not a goalkeeper, hasn't been sent off to Italy, and is still welcome back at his club. Apples to oranges.

 

[super_city_si]

It's all bollocks, Joe Hart is an England regular and a Prem starter but even with 'English' tax and bear in mind he's probably got as many years still left in him as Walker we can't nail £40m or so. In fact nowhere near.

My opinion is chuck £30m (it's all Monopoly money to you and me anyway) down with a few add-ons...CL etc. If the baldy one doesn't like it, leave him high and dry with an unhappy player.

Joe isnt a prem starter though. He is surplus to requirements hence we have no "hand".

We want Walker. Spurs would be happy to keep him. We are moneybags City. He is Daniel Levy. It is going to be procrastinated beyond belief.

 

[BringBackSwales]

So no price is too high? 100 million for Walker, should we do it?

I don't think anyone said that much. I think the consensus is that 40m to 45m for a home grown international is high but if Pep wants him it is not too high

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Walker is younger, not a goalkeeper, hasn't been sent off to Italy, and is still welcome back at his club. Apples to oranges.

Maybe but keepers play for longer.

Just smackes of Levy trying it on a bit. I'm no Joe Hart fan boy (apart from over Bravo) but the figures being discussed are a disgrace.

 

[ADegenerate]

He'll come for 40-45m and that's more than a fair valuation. I just wish the theaticts didn't have to be played out. 20-25m for Walker is just plain silly. He's about as tested and proven as you'll ever find...we take him from a club that finished higher and he's an HG international.

People are just being silly. Every single one of us would demand 50m and be reluctant to budge if we were in levys shoes.

 

[worsleyweb]

We should just not deal with Daniel Levy. Full stop. Bet we end up buying him for 55 million + on deadline day - he will move the goalposts a few more times yet.

 

[worsleyweb]

He'll come for 40-45m and that's more than a fair valuation. I just wish the theaticts didn't have to be played out. 20-25m for Walker is just plain silly. He's about as tested and proven as you'll ever find...we take him from a club that finished higher and he's an HG international.

People are just being silly. Every single one of us would demand 50m and be reluctant to budge if we were in levys shoes.

50 million for a 27 year old who is an 8/10 player - 15 million more than has ever been paid for a full back and who wants to come North - no chance. He is worth 30 to 40 tops.

 

[p.taker]

Maybe but keepers play for longer.

Just smackes of Levy trying it on a bit. I'm no Joe Hart fan boy (apart from over Bravo) but the figures being discussed are a disgrace.

Age is probably the least important factor here. If Hart was still our number one and a larger club was trying to sign him after he had just signed a new contract we'd probably be able to get 25-30m off of them. If he wasn't a keeper add 5-10 more. BUT he's not in form, he's shut out of our club, and everyone knows it. We are actively trying to get rid of him, which is in contrast to a situation where Spurs know we want Walker and only him. Our only real negotiation ploy is to go after someone else and if we have a deal lined up with Walker himself already that is probably not going to happen. This all reeks of the Sterling deal and it'll be something like 45m plus 5m in add-ons I'm sure.

 

[Dax777]

You know it's gonna be more than that, so in reality you are saying we should not go for him. So what's a credible alternative?

No, no, no... I actually want Walker, but saying 45 million is the starting price is ridiculous. And pretending its good busines is even worse. We have to view things within there relevant contexts.

Walker is a top FB in the Prem. Who are he other top fullbacks? Clyne, dude at Everton, dude at the rags, and Cedric Soares.
Many view Clyne to be as good as Walker, he cost 12.5 million 2 years ago. The price for good fullbacks didn't suddenly jump over 300% in 2 years.

We seem to have developed a wierd comfortably with overpaying. You here comments like "in the present market" or "English add-on" etc

But if you check the facts, you quickly find none of those beliefs or ideologies hold water.

Teams sometimes overpay for exceptional players. Because the value added is beyond replacement for their position. But generally, good players at each position tend to have a price range - plus or minus a few millions based on length of K left, how important to the club the player is and if the purchase is a hostile grab.

Those things increase prices a bit here and there. But your run of the mill transfer of a good player who's position has been usurped on his team already?

That should be textbook basic pricing. 13million (Clyne's price) add 10 million (inflation over 2 years) that's 22 million, add another 5 million for being a rival team's player. That leaves us at 27 million. So I added another 3 million just to be safe and to get us to a round number. 30 million. That's how I reached my guess.

At 35 million we are overpaying, but okay. I guess an extra 5 million coz we really need a fullback who is English.

But at 45, that's just being robbed. And yes, I get we'll get robbed sometimes (see Mangala)... But I'd be damned if anyone tries to convince me its a good deal.

We'll do it if we must, but like Stones deal, it would be a shit deal. However unlike Stones, Walker will neither have the time nor ability to ever make it worth it.

 

[Metalartin]

I'm confused about the HG quota I've read it's supposed to be 8 minimum from a squad of 25 but I'm struggling to think of a time we've had that many HG. Does the minimum change if you have players under 21 or something in your 25 players squad?

We have Stones, Sterling, Delph, Tosin... as Pep said he would love more but the Home Grown quota idea has backfired because all it's done is made decent English players a commodity that Clubs know they can charge more for as a result of these rules.

I don't like the idea of filling Spurs coffers and dislike Levy, so for me we get someone foreign and just as good, cheaper and younger, keep Delph and bring Roberts in.

 

[mosssideblue]

50 million for a 27 year old who is an 8/10 player - 15 million more than has ever been paid for a full back and who wants to come North - no chance. He is worth 30 to 40 tops.

What the previous record for a FB is, is irrelevant. The price is set by the buyer not the seller. If we think he is worth 50, we will pay it.

 

[kaz7]

Back on FIFA are we

 

[kaz7]

I'm confused about the HG quota I've read it's supposed to be 8 minimum from a squad of 25 but I'm struggling to think of a time we've had that many HG. Does the minimum change if you have players under 21 or something in your 25 players squad?

We have Stones, Sterling, Delph, Tosin... as Pep said he would love more but the Home Grown quota idea has backfired because all it's done is made decent English players a commodity that Clubs know they can charge more for as a result of these rules.

In the days of gaz and milner etc we had half the england team playing for us

 

[Rolee]

I'm confused about the HG quota I've read it's supposed to be 8 minimum from a squad of 25 but I'm struggling to think of a time we've had that many HG. Does the minimum change if you have players under 21 or something in your 25 players squad?

We have Stones, Sterling, Delph, Tosin... as Pep said he would love more but the Home Grown quota idea has backfired because all it's done is made decent English players a commodity that Clubs know they can charge more for as a result of these rules.

You don't have to have any homegrown.

A better way to look at it is the maximum amount of non-homegrown you can have is 17.

 

[Cityfan]

I'm confused about the HG quota I've read it's supposed to be 8 minimum from a squad of 25 but I'm struggling to think of a time we've had that many HG. Does the minimum change if you have players under 21 or something in your 25 players squad?

We have Stones, Sterling, Delph, Tosin... as Pep said he would love more but the Home Grown quota idea has backfired because all it's done is made decent English players a commodity that Clubs know they can charge more for as a result of these rules.

Any player under 21 doesn't count and you don't have to have a full squad, but if you do it's a minimum of 8 or to look at it another way a maximum of 17 over 21 overseas players. At least that is my understanding.

 

[Metalartin]

In the days of gaz and milner etc we had half the england team playing for us

Hang on let me work it out off the top of my head Hart, Micha, Lescott, Milner, Barry... maybe I'm just forgetting players haha.

 

[ADegenerate]

50 million for a 27 year old who is an 8/10 player - 15 million more than has ever been paid for a full back and who wants to come North - no chance. He is worth 30 to 40 tops.

Dom just pointed out the record is going to be 40m shortly from mendy. We're hard pressed for home grown and we're poaching from a rival club. That's definitely worth more than mendy.

 

[waspish]

City will pay what they think is the right fee!