Media Thread 2017/18

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schfc6 said:
Journalism works like any other industy.
Supply & demand.

You are obviously very proud of your profession and so you should be.

If you're telling me that the utter drivel and bullshit that is written daily in the papers is a journalist's best work, then I think you're lying to yourself.

As I said, she's no reason to lie, and I'm sure she's no need to lie to impress me...
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I hate The Sun. Awful newspaper.
But which paper's journalists are paid the most and generally considered to be at the zenith of their trade?
Hint: it ain't any of the "quality" papers.
 
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Nails said:
What a total load of bollocks. Bare-faced lies.
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Not so sure it is to be honest as a piece written for the Sun or Star and its readership is never going to match up to say a piece written for the times and its base.

Horses for courses and all that.
 
blueinsa said:
Not so sure it is to be honest as a piece written for the Sun or Star and its readership is never going to match up to say a piece written for the times and its base.

Horses for courses and all that.
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I've worked at News International. Sun journalists are paid far more than Times journalists.
 
Nails said:
I'm a journalist. Have been one for more than 20 years. I 100% guarantee that either you've been lied to or you're lying.
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I'm mates with a freelancer who got told to dumb down his article for the times. Instructed to remove semi colons and 'simplify words for their readership'. If a so called quality paper editors are issuing out those instructions to his highbrow paper they must be using crayons for The ***.

He feels the profession he loves is being diluted for internet clicks and big headlines over actual fact reporting.
 
My favourite exercise as a maths teacher many moons ago was to give the kids an exercise to workout the reading age for various newspapers. It goes by words per square centimetre and number of consonant etc. If I remember correctly The Sun and Mirror came to about 7yrs, The Times about 11yrs and the highest was The Finacial Times at about 14. It may come as something of a surprise to you but the average reading age of the general population is about 9.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
My favourite exercise as a maths teacher many moons ago was to give the kids an exercise to workout the reading age for various newspapers. It goes by words per square centimetre and number of consonant etc. If I remember correctly The Sun and Mirror came to about 7yrs, The Times about 11yrs and the highest was The Finacial Times at about 14. It may come as something of a surprise to you but the average reading age of the general population is about 9.
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do one for bluemoon :)
 
mat said:
I'm mates with a freelancer who got told to dumb down his article for the times. Instructed to remove semi colons and 'simplify words for their readership'. If a so called quality paper editors are issuing out those instructions to his highbrow paper they must be using crayons for The ***.

He feels the profession he loves is being diluted for internet clicks and big headlines over actual fact reporting.
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According to nails you're a liar.

It's painfully obvious it goes on. Unless they're recruiting journalists from a pretty dismal pool of candidates.
 
Damocles said:
It's not though is it?

Either you're nowhere near experienced enough in this industry to comment or you're lying through your back teeth.
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It is. I've edited sections of The Times, Metro, Mail and Telegraph. Which part of the media do you work in?
 
Nails said:
How much is Sergio paid?
How much is Carlisle United's centre forward paid?

And why do you think Sergio is paid that much more?
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The only reason a Sun journalist might get paid more is because of readership numbers and incomes.

Look, not for one second am i saying they are not very intelligent people, capable of putting some very good work out but the fact is, they write for a paper whose readership isnt interested in in depth analysis or even facts half the time with a pair of tits and page after page of celebrity gossip just about all they can handle most days.

I stand by my opinion that articles written for the Times will in most instances stand out quality wise from those in say the Sun or similar and its that way for a reason......readership.
 
schfc6 said:
No mate, I'm not falling for anything.

I believe him, I believe my mate and more importantly I believe that the standard of journalism is dumbed down otherwise we are one thick nation.

It is a FACT that journalists tailor their work for their audience.

It's not even really a conversation. It's fucking obvious.
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Oh, FFS, I know that. You write for your audience.

But to suggest a plumber wrote a piece that had to be dumbed down is plain silly on a number of levels, not least that the commissioning editor would just chuck the piece at a sub to rewrite - they wouldn't send it back to the 'writer.'
 
blueinsa said:
The only reason a Sun journalist might get paid more is because of readership numbers and incomes.

Look, not for one second am i saying they are not very intelligent people, capable of putting some very good work out but the fact is, they write for a paper whose readership isnt interested in in depth analysis or even facts half the time with a pair of tits and page after page of celebrity gossip just about all they can handle most days.

I stand by my opinion that articles written for the Times will in most instances stand out quality wise from those in say the Sun or similar and its that way for a reason......readership.
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I agree. Different readerships. But it's actually quite hard to write the way The Sun does, believe it or not. It's an art (a bit of a shit one but still an art).

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off for a curry.
 
Nails said:
It is. I've edited sections of The Times, Metro, Mail and Telegraph. Which part of the media do you work in?
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I'm not sure filling in the crossword counts as editing it mate.

And I work in the part that talks first hand to journalists on a regular basis who literally tell the same story despite working at different organisations.

Because I don't care if you're CP Scott, you have absolutely no idea what every editor on the planet is looking for. And obviously never worked or had any contact with people who worked in the Daily Mail US offices nor read the massive expose that was done on their hiring and editorial practices about 2 years ago by Gawker nor have ever been part of "Martin Clarke's terracotta army" as they called it.
 
Nails said:
I agree. Different readerships. But it's actually quite hard to write the way The Sun does, believe it or not. It's an art (a bit of a shit one but still an art).
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Oh i dont know.........no big long words and lots of pictures seems easy enough ;-)
 
Damocles said:
I'm not sure filling in the crossword counts as editing it mate.

And I work in the part that talks first hand to journalists on a regular basis who literally tell the same story despite working at different organisations.

Because I don't care if you're CP Scott, you have absolutely no idea what every editor on the planet is looking for. And obviously never worked or had any contact with people who worked in the Daily Mail US offices nor read the massive expose that was done on their hiring and editorial practices about 2 years ago by Gawker nor have ever been part of "Martin Clarke's terracotta army" as they called it.
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Haha. I know 'Jurassic' very well - I have worked with him on two newspapers. But the topic you've introduced is different to the one that started all this.
 
Nails said:
Oh, FFS, I know that. You write for your audience.

But to suggest a plumber wrote a piece that had to be dumbed down is plain silly on a number of levels, not least that the commissioning editor would just chuck the piece at a sub to rewrite - they wouldn't send it back to the 'writer.'
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It's the truth and if you don't like I'm not really arsed.
Doesn't seem that many agree with you.

For the record the plumber is a very intelligent guy. He would no doubt have to dumb down anything he wrote if he wanted it to go to print.
 
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