Media Thread 2017/18

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When the police get a "result" ie a conviction they often don't care if the "guilty" person is the correct one. Journalists are similar. If they can write a story which will be read and also please the editors, they will write it. A hint of truth is quite enough.

Generally the journalists will have a bias, but it is the editors who set out the rules and the owners who have the agenda. They naturally employ people who will not disagree with the agenda.

I find it difficult to understand why people do not know this is how the media works.
Wilful ignorance mate, it's quite clear that the entire media will be biased towards generating revenue, which won't come from the relatively small base of people who want city to do well and get on with things
 
Jonathan Wilson is a Sunderland fan and normally one of the better journalists. But I met him at an event a couple of years ago and we got talking about Pellegrini.

He'd been giving MP a load of shit because he gave nothing away to journalists. My response was on the lines of maybe he does that because he knows anything substantive that he does say will be twisted. I put it to Wilson that why should he show you any respect when he gets none back. Wilson responded that he got no respect because he showed none to journalists. It got a bit heated in the end but there was an element of entitlement from him that managers should be open with him and his colleagues and that MP's attitude was disrespectful.

Yes, I agree with you. He should be angry with his colleagues, many of whom deserve little or no respect from managers, rather than blaming Pellegrini. A lot of journalists seemed to bitch on Twitter last season about Guardiola being narky in press conferences. Maybe they should go away and listen to a play-back of a Guardiola press conference. He's always forthcoming when engaged in sensible football chat. When he's asked idiotic questions, he shows his irritation. It's not rocket science.

Wilson produces some excellent and original material in general. However, he's styled himself as an intellectual football writer (a Brian Glanville for he digital age, I suppose you could say), and IMO he sometimes has a tendency to over-intellectualise things.
 
Wilful ignorance mate, it's quite clear that the entire media will be biased towards generating revenue, which won't come from the relatively small base of people who want city to do well and get on with things

They all need money to survive where in some cases the digital age is proving difficult for survival so of course they skew their stories to feed their most likely subscribers, I agree 100 % with your post.

First rule of journalism is to never let the truth get in the way of a a good story.
In their case good is synonymous with more revenue.
 
Wilful ignorance mate, it's quite clear that the entire media will be biased towards generating revenue, which won't come from the relatively small base of people who want city to do well and get on with things

And the reason why the "Free" Press is now dead.
All that matters to media outlets is revenue. As a result media reporting of smaller football clubs or even bigger clubs undergoing hard times has virtually dried up. Not just football - reporting on real issues is now much reduced - the reporting on celebrity culture is the big cash generator - slowly turning our society into a nation of morons.
That doesn't excuse the BBC though who behave in exactly the same way. (That said they get revenue from limited advertising when the site is viewed from abroad so perhaps the same "rules" do apply.)
 
And the reason why the "Free" Press is now dead.
All that matters to media outlets is revenue. As a result media reporting of smaller football clubs or even bigger clubs undergoing hard times has virtually dried up. Not just football - reporting on real issues is now much reduced - the reporting on celebrity culture is the big cash generator - slowly turning our society into a nation of morons.
That doesn't excuse the BBC though who behave in exactly the same way. (That said they get revenue from limited advertising when the site is viewed from abroad so perhaps the same "rules" do apply.)
I assume they use the amount of clicks/"reach" to prove they need the funding from the budget or some such. It's all for money, just in different forms.
 
I assume they use the amount of clicks/"reach" to prove they need the funding from the budget or some such. It's all for money, just in different forms.

Probably use similar market research people to target their potential customer base like Sky and BT.
They pay for this research then skew their news to become views on news to tweak the potential audience.

As you said before all to do with money and the BBC spend a lot of it so must find accountability a serious problem, just a little different from their empire building days of yesteryear.
 
United's true fan base is probably around 100th (at tops) of the ludicrous 659m number claimed - therefore the claim about revenues / click bait for positive stories about them doesn't make sense to me. Negative stories about city will generate a lot more hits than positive ones - but negative stories about united could be the biggest earners of them all due to the number of football fans that hate them.

Protecting market share would be harder with constant media negativity, or positivity towards rivals, especially when united are so dire on the pitch - therefore it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the likes of the trinity mirror group get regular presents via the Cayman Islands to bring their stories in-line.
 
United's true fan base is probably around 100th (at tops) of the ludicrous 659m number claimed - therefore the claim about revenues / click bait for positive stories about them doesn't make sense to me. Negative stories about city will generate a lot more hits than positive ones - but negative stories about united could be the biggest earners of them all due to the number of football fans that hate them.

Protecting market share would be harder with constant media negativity, or positivity towards rivals, especially when united are so dire on the pitch - therefore it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the likes of the trinity mirror group get regular presents via the Cayman Islands to bring their stories in-line.

The problem for City is that we have been unfairly tainted by years of FFP masquerading under the banner of fair.
All supporters were brainwashed by a cartel inspired attack on our owner for daring to put new money into a top division English football team.
The skewed rules were used as a barrier to entry that in any other sector of business would have been illegal.

Years of fighting FFP culminating in changing rules to find City guilty made all believe City were and still are using unfair financial practices compared to other debt ridden clubs.
This feeling still prevails with the average football fan and is an obvious way to sell the vitriol that always seems to mark any story about City.
It continues to be a sales tool used by all and sundry to disguise the fact that City are self sufficient.
 
"Paranoia is when you think something is happening which is not! Working in the media over the last 3 years this is clearly happening #MCFC"

This is Trevor Sinclair's tweet in response to a journo including City in a poll of clubs with most paranoid fans. It speaks volumes.
 
"Paranoia is when you think something is happening which is not! Working in the media over the last 3 years this is clearly happening #MCFC"

This is Trevor Sinclair's tweet in response to a journo including City in a poll of clubs with most paranoid fans. It speaks volumes.
Is this a recent tweet?

I just wonder how much work the BBC are going to put his way after this?
 
Jonathan Wilson is a Sunderland fan and normally one of the better journalists. But I met him at an event a couple of years ago and we got talking about Pellegrini.

He'd been giving MP a load of shit because he gave nothing away to journalists. My response was on the lines of maybe he does that because he knows anything substantive that he does say will be twisted. I put it to Wilson that why should he show you any respect when he gets none back. Wilson responded that he got no respect because he showed none to journalists. It got a bit heated in the end but there was an element of entitlement from him that managers should be open with him and his colleagues and that MP's attitude was disrespectful.

There is a lot of animosity towards City because we don't give the papers any exclusives, they are all done through the inhouse media team.

Also I don't believe journalists "pick on us" because of any personal vendetta (maybe 2-3 do), but the majority stick the boot in because its topical and plays to their demographic of Scum, Chavs, Gooners and Scouses who all hate us - the late brian woolnough told me this after I accused him of being a bias twat.
 
It's a vicious cycle.

Newspaper wants to appeal to fans of 'big' clubs so that they read their articles -> Writes sensationalist shit about non-'big' club they all hate (ie clickbait) -> Fans of these clubs therefore read it -> These fans believe it (Why wouldn't they?) -> Eventually word spreads -> Everyone believes it -> Sensationalist shit becomes stereotype -> People believe it as a fact -> People start to hate non-'big' club that little bit more -> Eventually proven to be false - Too late people won't change their minds -> Sensationlist shit no longer news -> People stop reading about it in papers -> Fans of the 'big' clubs stop reading about it -> Newspaper wants to appeal to fans of 'big' clubs so that they read their articles...

You know:
City set for transfer ban after CAS hearing. Everyone believes it. Evil City again ruining S. American football. Obviously guilty. Except we've spent the last year being repeatedly proven innocent (irrelevant). Few days pass. Not banned from football yet. No longer interesting news story.

But what's this? 100m for Walker! Just as the CAS story went cold. Amazing..
 
For as long as we are a rival to united and Liverpool, we will always be portrayed negatively by the media. These two clubs have so many more Uk based fans than us that they will print anything to keep their main income sources happy. Until that changes then it will remain the case. There is no point worrying about it or getting angry about it as it won't change.
 
"Paranoia is when you think something is happening which is not! Working in the media over the last 3 years this is clearly happening #MCFC"

This is Trevor Sinclair's tweet in response to a journo including City in a poll of clubs with most paranoid fans. It speaks volumes.

That @franksinatra will agree we are all paranoid.
 
Yes why would I think that about you after reading your comments about the police.

Shall I refer to some of the most publicised "results" that the police have achieved. Clearly your knowledge of how our Police operate is as deep as your knowledge of the media.
 
Shall I refer to some of the most publicised "results" that the police have achieved. Clearly your knowledge of how our Police operate is as deep as your knowledge of the media.

Its lucky we have such an expert on the board to guide us and not one of those type of people who use a small percentage of cases to judge a whole profession. Anyway its pointless discussing as I doubt we will find a middle ground.
 
"Paranoia is when you think something is happening which is not! Working in the media over the last 3 years this is clearly happening #MCFC"

This is Trevor Sinclair's tweet in response to a journo including City in a poll of clubs with most paranoid fans. It speaks volumes.

Perhaps I misunderstand but is the tweet ambiguous ?
Does the last sentence mean City fans are paranoid or that he finds after working there that they are justified in complaining ?
 
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