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Pablo1 said:
It's mental how people think that the academy is anything but a long term business venture that will reap profits for years to come. Sure, we will benefit with the odd diamond breaking through and carving a career out with us but on the whole it'll be a conveyor belt of talent that brings the club millions.
I've no problem with that at all, I don't understand why anybody would.
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I think most people are realists who understand that perfectly well and are reasonably happy with it. Certainly I'm one.

The main argument seems to me to be about giving the better academy products a tad more competitive game time, which various posters have argued better than I can isn't such an outlandish proposition.

Putting it in monetary terms, if we really must, a single academy graduate making it as a first team regular could save £30m, £40m, £50m in acquisition cost. (Or £100m at next year's prices, the way things are heading!).
 
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Proy said:
I don't often sit on the fence but, reading through the last page or so, I'm definitely in the middle here.

I understand totally why the club would use it as a means to make millions. I have no problem with that. It will help us purchase the quality we need to stay at the top.

I also understand that some would like it to produce, although never to the extent that's being driven. I've had 1 in every 4 years in my head for a good while now. That represents success to me.
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It's not all doom and gloom though, we've set up a new scouting network in South America to find the next Messi, Neymar and the purchase of Jesus will also promote the club, before this all the good youth and youngsters were going straight to Spain only for the rest of Europe to purchase them at high rates, but not now though peeps, there's a new sheriff in town :-)
 
sir baconface said:
I think most people are realists who understand that perfectly well and are reasonably happy with it. Certainly I'm one.

The main argument seems to me to be about giving the better academy products a tad more competitive game time, which various posters have argued better than I can isn't such an outlandish proposition.
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If they're good enough they'll make it as Foden is on the brink of proving, but they also need to have the right attitude in the first place which Sancho isn't proving, they need to have the whole package.
 
Danamy said:
If they're good enough they'll make it as Foden is on the brink of proving, but they also need to have the right attitude in the first place which Sancho isn't proving, they need to have the whole package.
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Yes of course. To compete with top talent, they need to be an all-round good un.
 
inchy14 said:
And how do they show him they're good enough without playing competitive matches? Training isn't the same.
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it's not the same you're right, but it's a bloody good indicator. There's 20+ players training daily all eager to impress and show Pep what they can do, training games get competitive, it's not all just rondo's that you see on City TV. You impress enough in training, and continue to impress, you'll get given the opportunity to play.
 
Pablo1 said:
It's mental how people think that the academy is anything but a long term business venture that will reap profits for years to come. Sure, we will benefit with the odd diamond breaking through and carving a career out with us but on the whole it'll be a conveyor belt of talent that brings the club millions.
I've no problem with that at all, I don't understand why anybody would.
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That's exactly how I saw it when they were talking about it and spending the money on it. I watched for years as the Rags gave youngsters a couple of games in the Prem then sold them for millions - fucking great business model. I still think we got a great deal for Iheanacho, and if that's how it's going to be, then fair one. Let's not be blinded by the Rag's fawning press over their youth policy, it's been about bringing the very odd one through, but making millions on the vast majority of them.
 
Pablo1 said:
It's mental how people think that the academy is anything but a long term business venture that will reap profits for years to come. Sure, we will benefit with the odd diamond breaking through and carving a career out with us but on the whole it'll be a conveyor belt of talent that brings the club millions.
I've no problem with that at all, I don't understand why anybody would.
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Two reasons as I see it.

1. Some are very impatient
2. Some believe they are better talent spotters than the club
 
unless your shit or have no money to spend very few teams bring loads of academy players through every year. (Southampton excepted due to selling their team to the dippers every year)if you get one diamond every ten years and a couple of decent squad players to bolster incase of an injury crisis then that's an a academy working well at the top level.the rest as has already been said is a cash cow.
 
Sounds like Dembele to Barca is a matter of when not if now. Great signing if they get it over the line. He'll tear it up there without the pressure of being the main man.
 
city saint said:
unless your shit or have no money to spend very few teams bring loads of academy players through every year. (Southampton excepted due to selling their team to the dippers every year)if you get one diamond every ten years and a couple of decent squad players to bolster incase of an injury crisis then that's an a academy working well at the top level.the rest as has already been said is a cash cow.
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Perhaps this will change for some teams ?
The escalating price of players makes the Monaco model a good way to enhance the financial results. Just bring on one player and have the patience to play him in the PL and surely he is then ready for the top 5.

Our mid table PL clubs would not normally aspire to CL so hovering at mid table blooding promising academy players is not really a risk and if one player shows promise......
 
we dont have big squad.

danyear,roberts,zinchenko,delph,nasri,mangala and bony goes on loan/sale.

and we down to 18 first team players.
 
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malg said:
That's exactly how I saw it when they were talking about it and spending the money on it. I watched for years as the Rags gave youngsters a couple of games in the Prem then sold them for millions - fucking great business model. I still think we got a great deal for Iheanacho, and if that's how it's going to be, then fair one. Let's not be blinded by the Rag's fawning press over their youth policy, it's been about bringing the very odd one through, but making millions on the vast majority of them.
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You remember at the end of the season the rags were all congratulating themselves on Harrop and promoting youth? He's since left them and joined Preston in search of more first team football. Had a good chuckle when I saw that. Also he was 21 not 17.
 
Proy said:
Perhaps a bad example, but how old is the current most coveted striker in Europe?

Age is no boundary if your good enough.
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And yet he wasn't ready at 17 and only really broke through in the latter part of last season.
 
The academy system is good for young players in the long run. They get good quality coaching and often a small opportunity of first team football at premier league level. And then quite often a career in the professional game earning a good living. Look at some of the rags players who've had careers way above their ability because they came through their academy. Being rated at one point by Ferguson did wonders for the likes of Campbell, Cleverly, Gibson, Chadwick etc. The same will start to happen for academy lads from City.
 
shak said:
You remember at the end of the season the rags were all congratulating themselves on Harrop and promoting youth? He's since left them and joined Preston in search of more first team football. Had a good chuckle when I saw that. Also he was 21 not 17.
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Even bigger chuckle when Leicester discover Nacho is actually 32.
 
malg said:
That's exactly how I saw it when they were talking about it and spending the money on it. I watched for years as the Rags gave youngsters a couple of games in the Prem then sold them for millions - fucking great business model. I still think we got a great deal for Iheanacho, and if that's how it's going to be, then fair one. Let's not be blinded by the Rag's fawning press over their youth policy, it's been about bringing the very odd one through, but making millions on the vast majority of them.
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United only managed to sell players for millions because they had already played in the first team for 10 minutes here or there. They had absorbed a lot of the risk in showing that the player was competent enough at a first team level.
 
omri said:
we dont have big squad.

danyear,roberts,zinchenko,delph,nasri,mangala and bony goes on loan/sale.

and we down to 18 first team players.
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Yup. It would be strange if we didn't sign 2 more players. 18 outfield players + 2 goalkeepers is the minimum needed for a season IMO. Right now excluding those players you mentioned. We have 16 + 2. That is an extremely thin squad.

And let's be honest. Mangala is not going to be the CB. And Roberts won't be the forward.
 
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