Kylian Mbappe

[argyle]

Feels like the Pogba stuff in the last window, lots of media outlets saying he was going to the rags but we held out hope (glad we didn't get him) that he was coming here.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Comparing potentially the greatest striker in the past two decades to Wilfred f**king Bony is a new standard....

I compared their purchase mainly. Bony was a waste of money when near everyone thought it was a sensible buy. Buying an 18yr old with 40 games under his belt at a time when prices are stupid... is stuppid. And we wont do it, I have confidence in our owners that the money would be better spent than risked.

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

Apparently they're not happy, and are calling on all their fans to join together in protest.

They've booked 12 seats at the local Indian to stage the protest, in the hopes they all show up.

Didn't know they had that many

they must have attracted a few glory hunters

 

[eversince 76]

Is 180 mill Euro's 'crazy money' ? The market was crazy 5 years ago, maybe even 10 years ago or when in England mainly United and Chelsea were paying vast amounts of money for players, and like Real and Barcelona have done for decades.
Btw, are we even in a position to talk about 'crazy money' with City overpaying for several players over the recent years? And at what point is it actually 'crazy money' ?

I still stand by my point of view the worth of what has been paid is to be decided at the moment the player leaves the club. Nobody can tell his worth in a few years time. It's simply an investment with hopefully a better outcome for the investor. And from that point of view I wouldn't mind if City paid that kind of money for Mbappe. I would enjoy us getting the player the manager wants and proves the owners it was the right choice as in a good investment.

 

[OB1]

To echo what some have said on here, the sums being talked about are plain stupid. Simply because Monaco say they want €180m or whatever the number is, does not mean he's worth €180m. He's worth whatever clubs are prepared to pay.

We paid how much for Jesus? £30m? A player who aged 19 scored 21 goals for Palmerias to win them the league, and who plays as a striker for Brasil. And we are being asked to believe MBarmé is worth 4 or 5 times that amount? Ridiculous.

No one I their right mind would suggest Jesus is worth a quarter or a fifth of what Mbappe is but if City put GJ up for sale now the price, in the current market, would surely be much, much higher than what we paid but he isn't for sale; Mbappe clearly is, if the price is right.

 

[OB1]

Is 180 mill Euro's 'crazy money' ? The market was crazy 5 years ago, maybe even 10 years ago or when in England mainly United and Chelsea were paying vast amounts of money for players, and like Real and Barcelona have done for decades.
Btw, are we even in a position to talk about 'crazy money' with City overpaying for several players over the recent years? And at what point is it actually 'crazy money' ?

I still stand by my point of view the worth of what has been paid is to be decided at the moment the player leaves the club. Nobody can tell his worth in a few years time. It's simply an investment with hopefully a better outcome for the investor. And from that point of view I wouldn't mind if City paid that kind of money for Mbappe. I would enjoy us getting the player the manager wants and proves the owners it was the right choice as in a good investment.

We need to compete at the very top end of the market if we are truly to be one of the big boys.

 

[hihosilva]

I do find it hard to beleive that PSG could fork out an additional £ 160 Mil to sign Mbappe & keep within the FFP rules.
They must realise that if they break the rules again UEFA will come down hard on them.
There is one good point for City in this. If PSG do sign him & manage to convince UEFA that they have met the FFP rules then that should mean City have a free reign to buy who the want.

 

[J_MCFC21]

I compared their purchase mainly. Bony was a waste of money when near everyone thought it was a sensible buy. Buying an 18yr old with 40 games under his belt at a time when prices are stupid... is stuppid. And we wont do it, I have confidence in our owners that the money would be better spent than risked.

Isn't every purchase a risk then? Mendy had the same good season as Mbappe, he could fail this season and we just spent 50m on the guy. We could go buy Sanchez for 50m for him to be injured for the season. With Mbappe you are paying for what he could become, obviously a risk but could turn into a risk worth taking if it takes us to the top. Its the same with every high class young player, Dembele for example, over 100m. Barca are willing to pay that because they know in the current market and what he could become its worth it.

You either pay up the prices or miss the boat. Mbappe scored like 6 in 6 in the CL last season him and B SIlva tore us apart. Never a guarantee in football but i'm sure scouts and managers know genuine talent when they see it, hence why PSG Madrid Barca City whoever are all wanting him. Hardly like we are competing with Palace or Stoke to sign him.

 

[Father Paul]

Isn't every purchase a risk then? Mendy had the same good season as Mbappe, he could fail this season and we just spent 50m on the guy. We could go buy Sanchez for 50m for him to be injured for the season. With Mbappe you are paying for what he could become, obviously a risk but could turn into a risk worth taking if it takes us to the top. Its the same with every high class young player, Dembele for example, over 100m. Barca are willing to pay that because they know in the current market and what he could become its worth it.

You either pay up the prices or miss the boat. Mbappe scored like 6 in 6 in the CL last season him and B SIlva tore us apart. Never a guarantee in football but i'm sure scouts and managers know genuine talent when they see it, hence why PSG Madrid Barca City whoever are all wanting him. Hardly like we are competing with Palace or Stoke to sign him.

Well this might be a boat worth missing. Prices are totally out of control indicative of a classic economic bubble. It seems that the burst which is inevitable will be speeded up as the intensity of the spiral is increasing much faster than anyone could have predicted.Simply put players bought now for 200 million will only be worth half that amount in a couple of years. With respect to Mbappe it really is incredible that people rate him so highly on the basis of a handful of excellent performances. People in classic bubble territory really are starting to lose the run of themselves.

 

[simon23]

i dont see this coming down to money...it will be all about where the kid himself wants to play...will he choose madrid or paris over us....thats what it will come to....if we are in for him as we are reliably informed then the people in charge of doing these deals must have an idea of the price that will be needed....

i think the lad will choose madrid....

 

[Chippy_boy]

We need to compete at the very top end of the market if we are truly to be one of the big boys.

Like Bayern you mean?

 

[better dead than red]

Pep doesn't shit himself. He leaves that to the Portuguese eye gouger

I thought Taggart is the one who shits himself.

 

[AustinBlue]

Well this might be a boat worth missing. Prices are totally out of control indicative of a classic economic bubble. It seems that the burst which is inevitable will be speeded up as the intensity of the spiral is increasing much faster than anyone could have predicted.Simply put players bought now for 200 million will only be worth half that amount in a couple of years. With respect to Mbappe it really is incredible that people rate him so highly on the basis of a handful of excellent performances. People in classic bubble territory really are starting to lose the run of themselves.

It's not a classic economic bubble. Massively simplifying things.... In classic economic bubbles, the values are totally detached from the underlying ability of an asset to generate income (think tulip bulbs or crappy houses). Footballers and football generate entertainment income and commercial income by attracting fans who buy tickets and shirts and subscribe to media or buy affiliated products. The underlying media and affiliate product market is exploding as measured in real dollars spent. The values might be too high, but it isn't a classic bubble. Bubbles burst to practically zero.

 

[Marvin]

To echo what some have said on here, the sums being talked about are plain stupid. Simply because Monaco say they want €180m or whatever the number is, does not mean he's worth €180m. He's worth whatever clubs are prepared to pay.

We paid how much for Jesus? £30m? A player who aged 19 scored 21 goals for Palmerias to win them the league, and who plays as a striker for Brasil. And we are being asked to believe MBarmé is worth 4 or 5 times that amount? Ridiculous.

or 1.5 Lukakus. No point trying to work out what is value in this market.

Questions I would ask:

1) Does he significantly improve the team, if so
2) Can we afford it?

I am in denial mode at the moment. If PSG are really in for him, then why haven't they concluded the deal, or at least made some headway with it?

 

[Jazzman]

So what came out of Pep meeting his dad again?

 

[J_MCFC21]

Well this might be a boat worth missing. Prices are totally out of control indicative of a classic economic bubble. It seems that the burst which is inevitable will be speeded up as the intensity of the spiral is increasing much faster than anyone could have predicted.Simply put players bought now for 200 million will only be worth half that amount in a couple of years. With respect to Mbappe it really is incredible that people rate him so highly on the basis of a handful of excellent performances. People in classic bubble territory really are starting to lose the run of themselves.

By no means I meant lets go spend 180m on the guy. I mean for top players in general you either have to pay up or miss out. City want to be considered in that top tier so thats what has to be done.

As for Mbappe its up to the club to decide what he's worth not us so.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Well this might be a boat worth missing. Prices are totally out of control indicative of a classic economic bubble. It seems that the burst which is inevitable will be speeded up as the intensity of the spiral is increasing much faster than anyone could have predicted.Simply put players bought now for 200 million will only be worth half that amount in a couple of years. With respect to Mbappe it really is incredible that people rate him so highly on the basis of a handful of excellent performances. People in classic bubble territory really are starting to lose the run of themselves.

Agreed.

Perhaps you can spend £200m or £300m in one window because amortised, £300m might only cost you £60m plus wages this year. But that same £300m is also going to cost you an additional £60m plus wages next year and the year after and the year after that, etc even if you don't spend another penny.

My point is, blow out windows like this are a one off. No club can afford to do this every year. So next year, who's going to be spending another £200m or £300m in order to keep these transfer prices so inflated?

It won't be us or PSG since neither of us will be able to afford it.

 

[better dead than red]

Not sure how anyone who wants a competitive career would go to PSG? A completely one horse race, with the only challenging games being a few in the CL

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[OB1]

Like Bayern you mean?

We are not in a position to operate like Bayern. Their domestic domination of a country that continues to produce better footballing talent than England puts them in a different situation.

However, I'm not saying there is one way to the very top, just giving my opinion on City's route. Also, at this point, Bayern have a stature that I suspect would make it easier for them to pull off one of these mega deals, should they choose to spend that much, more easily than City.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Sorry; couldn't resist!

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