Shooting at Mandalay Bay Resort (Las Vegas)

ChicagoBlue said:
Read Heller.

In the 2008 case District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court held that the "Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."

Beyond that, I can't discuss.
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Do you think an AR-16 is a useful tool for self defence in the home?
 
idahoblues said:
you will always be a subject of the Crown, I will always be a citizen of the US. You will always live your life expecting somebody to protect you, I will protect myself whatever it takes
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You’d have protected fuck all if you were at that concert. You’d have had the opportunity to die at random like everyone else.
 
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ChicagoBlue said:
One of the many who feel like it did save their life...

https://pjmedia.com/blog/carrying-a-gun-saved-my-life-meet-ryan-moore/1/
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What a silly reply. You know full well that you (as the gun owner) are more likely to die if you’re carrying than not:

In 2009, the University of Pennsylvania conducted a study of over nearly 700 unique shootings and came to one very important conclusion: those carrying guns are 4.2 times more likely to be killed during an attack than those who are unarmed. It was a baffling conclusion that flew in the face of any basic logic — wouldn't having a sidearm actually prevent an intruder or an assailant from hurting you first?
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So whilst you can point to one story here or one story there, the metadata suggests it’s simply not true on the whole.

I could tell you of all the times I’ve driven whilst over the limit and say I’m fine and I’m just better than the rest but you’d be right in thinking I’m talking bullocks and that the data would suggest I put myself and other road users at greater risk doing so.
 
Frightening thing is when we come out of Europe I see an even closer association with America which to me is a frightening prospect
 
How many home owners with guns have actually protected themselves I wonder, I’m sure if someone is intent on breaking into your house they too will have a gun or weapon, how many home invasions are thwarted by home owners having guns? Are they really a deterrent to the smack head who wants to break in? Because in non of these mass shootings have any by standers brought the gunman down, it’s the police.
 
Hey @chicagoblue23 thanks for bringing a different perspective to the gun control debate. Quick question. If someone owns a gun and they die is ownership of the gun transferred to their heir? Are there any checks done on that person? Thanks
 
Brightwells left peg said:
If you're interested in making a quick profit, buy shares in whoever manufactures the guns he used.

After the kids got shot at, a Texan boss of mine went out and purchased the same semi automatic rifles usedat Sandy Hook...I shit you not.

There will be a large swathe of fucking lunatics stroking their chins and quietly impressed by this performance.
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That’s a very scary thought.... the Coccoon set who have lived their life and have nothing to lose... they get notoriety or their 15 minutes of fame
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I'd take CA over I Drive all day, every day. Daytona is much nicer than it once was. Go down south, beachside towards New Smyrna, for some peace and quiet, but also be aware that stretch of beach is a shark haven! Google and YouTube will provide evidence!
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I’ll do that... to be honest we have a soft spot for Daytona.. it seems old school which is like the I Drive I First visited in 1987..

Our place is at the bottom of I Drive closer to the Premium Outlets so away from the commercialism further up.. we go there these days to relax as we have done all the sights... we’ll occasionally do a park and only last year did Harry Potter for the first time which was amazing..

It won’t put be off holidaying there but a secondment is a different story
 
yankblue said:
Unfortunately, gun ownership is a cultural thing more than anything at this point. It's about as American as blue jeans and apple pie. Not only is it written into the constitution (which, by design, is nearly impossible to change) but it's just part of a cultural identity at this point. I don't agree with it, I've never even seen a gun, but it's just not going to change.

Our best bet is slow progress with universal background checks, bans on certain types of firearms, etc. - but for whatever reason that doesn't seem to get any traction either.
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Surely with the Gun law being part of the second amendment, it already has set a precedent for change and therefore could be changed if there was the will to do it? Obviously finding that will is going to be the hard part.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
I’ll do that... to be honest we have a soft spot for Daytona.. it seems old school which is like the I Drive I First visited in 1987..

Our place is at the bottom of I Drive closer to the Premium Outlets so away from the commercialism further up.. we go there these days to relax as we have done all the sights... we’ll occasionally do a park and only last year did Harry Potter for the first time which was amazing..

It won’t put be off holidaying there but a secondment is a different story
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Daytona beach was a car park when i went. Rock hard an' all.
 
Of course, you are not in favour of a man killing 60 people.

However, the patronising "now is not the time" to discuss gun control bullshit that we hear from Americans shows that you do not really want to solve this problem. If the killing of a school full of kids at Sandy Hook did not motivate you to make changes to your gun laws nothing will. You are the only country where this type of lunacy regularly happens and you still pretend you are helpless to stop it.

And all your bullshit about the 2nd amendment is sickening and hypocritical, if it was a brown man doing this in the name of terrorism instead of a white man you would have new laws tomorrow.
 
Not saying it was a hoax or anything like that, but can someone on here explain why there is no muzzle flash coming from the windows on the 32nd floor?



Shouldn't it look something like this?

 
ChicagoBlue said:
FYI

Second Amendment

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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No wonder there's so much arguing about this 200 years later; it doesn't make any sense. Were they all pissed at the time?
 
TravisBickle said:
Not saying it was a hoax or anything like that, but can someone on here explain why there is no muzzle flash coming from the windows on the 32nd floor?



Shouldn't it look something like this?

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perhaps he had a flash hider,snipers use them not to give away their position.
 
I'm not sure why there is so much shock about these incidents anymore. They happen with such regularity that it should be expected and accepted as part of a gun carrying 21st century culture.
Looking from outside-in the solution is simpler than simple....but in US society it appears more guns is the solution to a problem created by guns.
 
inchy14 said:
Surely with the Gun law being part of the second amendment, it already has set a precedent for change and therefore could be changed if there was the will to do it? Obviously finding that will is going to be the hard part.
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Its not about removing the right to carry a gun ....you can't argue with the constitution however they could legislate around the sale of certain types of weapons such as assault rifles. FFS you wouldn't fire one of those in your own home.
 
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