Shooting at Mandalay Bay Resort (Las Vegas)

Magicpole said:
If I break into your house quietly how you going to get to it before I get to you sleeping?

How is that done?
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I'm just wondering how you got past the security system connected to the Police 911 system and the dog. Are you the Pink Panther?

Listen, it is clear you will continue to try to create scenarios, so why bother? I have done as much as I know to help make a safe home for my wife and family. I don't have to answer to you.

In addition, I've tried my damnedest to help people understand what they find difficult to understand about American gun culture, even though I staunchly oppose much of it. It is clear I have become the face of the NRA for many of you and that is the furthest thing from the truth. I have tried to provide context and information, and, in some instances, be the Devil's Advocate against wild accusations and misrepresentations.

So, I'm quite happy to own a gun, am trained to use it, and regularly go to the range to practice my marksmanship. I have a Marksman designation from Federal authorities, so I'm not much interested in your John Wayne scenarios and mentality against my gun ownership. I have it to protect me from the other 365,000,000 guns in this country that might one day be used to harm me. I have no desire to use it outside my home or workplace, but if faced with the deadly consequences of an altercation, I would. I can live with that. You don't need to, and I'm glad for you. I didn't create American gun culture and I, too, struggle with the notion that over 200 years later we have gone from muskets to semi-automatic bump-rifles firing at 10 rounds per second within the supposed Constitutional definition of our collective rights to gun protection. I think it is nonsense. I don't own an AR-15 and have no interest in buying one and modifying it legally to have a bump stock to make it automatic. It is not why I have a weapon. However, I live in an area of $600,000+ homes with nice cars and parks and trees and upper middle class people with stuff. That is a burglars prime market place. Like many of my neighbors, I have a home security system and a dog that barks at people who approach the house. I also happen to have a firearm that I know how to use. It is safely locked away and my kids don't know how to get to it and they have no desire to get to it. My son is 19 and he is as good of a shot as I am at the range, so I would have no qualms about him using it, but he doesn't know how to access it, either. He has only ever seen it loaded at the range.

So, in short, I have no desire to engage in the "gun debate" with you or anyone else overseas. I live here in the US and it is real. I have done what I feel is prudent to protect myself and my family, including the best training available to civilians in the US. I don't have to answer to you or anyone else about those personal decisions. They are legal and my actions go far, far beyond anything I need to do to be a gun owner in the US, which is yet another reason I can say without equivocation, I am a responsible gun owner...who will kill you if you threaten me or my family with violence. The end.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Wow, you spew some bollocks here!

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/09/29/police-sometimes-shoot-unarmed-people/
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Facts. I state facts. Facts that upset you and other small dicked individuals that love their guns and don’t want to lose them no matter the human cost on an annual basis.

I’ve already said, keep your guns, I really really couldn’t be happier for you and I really really don’t care at all that you’re more likely to use it on yourself than on an intruder in your home. But that is the fact and the Home protection ‘defence’ of them is simply bull shit. Keep your guns. Be happy. Have massacres. Doesn’t affect me at all and I really don’t care anymore as it’s patently obvious that you and your gun toting brethren don’t. Just don’t try and use arguments that have no basis in fact.

Ps, me saying “good point” to another poster talking about police shooting an unarmed woman that had called them is not bullshit you myopic fool.
 
inchy14 said:
Superb, funny and accurate.
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It is a parody of the 2A, but, unfortunately, the highest court in the land has dismissed. If you want to live in the parody world, knock yourself out, but Americans live in a world where the politicians believe in the 2A to help get themselves elected, because saying you don't will get you NOWHERE. When you say you are against what the Constitution says, it doesn't do anything positive for you. What you have to do is chip away at these things and hope that calmer heads prevail and see the long term futility in the public arms race that is taking place.

I have absolutely no doubt that you cannot buy a bump stock today, Friday! And if you can, it is much more expansive than it was last week and they are almost sold out! Yes, I KNOW IT IS CRAZY, but that's the reality here! If people think any firearm or anything that is legal today MIGHT be illiegal tomorrow, they run out and buy it, because it will be grandfathered in as legal, and then it will be worth even more tomorrow and will even give you the "armed edge" against the person who can't buy one tomorrow!

I have no doubt AR-15s are flying off the shelves today and they are about £1,000!

THIS is the culture here! I don't condone it, but I have to live in it!
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
Obviously it can't offer protection from every situation but I'd probably feel safer in the USA if I had a gun upstairs rather than a baseball bat or golf club.
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Just hope you get upstairs before they shoot you. Don't you think your media and gun lobby make you fear bogey men a bit too much?

For the land of the brave seems to be a lot of bottle merchants.
 
SWP's back said:
Facts. I state facts. Facts that upset you and other small dicked individuals that love their guns and don’t want to lose them no matter the human cost on an annual basis.

I’ve already said, keep your guns, I really really couldn’t be happier for you and I really really don’t care at all that you’re more likely to use it on yourself than on an intruder in your home. But that is the fact and the Home protection ‘defence’ of them is simply bull shit. Keep your guns. Be happy. Have massacres. Doesn’t affect me at all and I really don’t care anymore as it’s patently obvious that you and your gun toting brethren don’t. Just don’t try and use arguments that have no basis in fact.

Ps, me saying “good point” to another poster talking about police shooting an unarmed woman that had called them is not bullshit you myopic fool.
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Here is the best source I can find for that incident, so I don't know what happened or why.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/world/australia/minneapolis-police-shooting.html

To point to this as somehow representative of anything is the very definition of myopic, fool!

It certainly LOOKS like a bad shoot, which is not helped by the officer not talking, but "facts"? Sparse at best.
 
Magicpole said:
Just hope you get upstairs before they shoot you. Don't you think your media and gun lobby make you fear bogey men a bit too much?

For the land of the brave seems to be a lot of bottle merchants.
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So, if I have a gun but can't get upstairs, I get shot. Presumably then If I don't have a gun, I still get shot. If I am already upstairs, I maybe still have a bit more of a chance than with a baseball bat.

As I am not American or in the USA, I am not really influenced by their gun lobby or media.
 
Magicpole said:
Just hope you get upstairs before they shoot you. Don't you think your media and gun lobby make you fear bogey men a bit too much?

For the land of the brave seems to be a lot of bottle merchants.
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"Bottle merchants."

Hmmm, Scottish tough guy. Got it. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Carry on, tough guy! That'll help you greatly should you ever be faced with a home invasion in the US.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
So, if I have a gun but can't get upstairs, I get shot. Presumably then If I don't have a gun, I still get shot. If I am already upstairs, I maybe still have a bit more of a chance than with a baseball bat.

As I am not American or in the USA, I am not really influenced by their gun lobby or media.
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Thank you. The sound of reason from someone who can't be painted as a gun nut. I appreciate your perspective....and grasp of logic!

Some of these people think they can bring their knuckles and non-"bottle merchant" mentality to a gun fight!

There is nothing a burglar hates more than the sound of a shotgun shell/gun round being chambered! Unfortunately, any burglar who gets into my house won't even hear that, as it is already in there. He will hear one thing..."I am armed and I will kill you! Leave now!" If that doesn't do the trick, then I can't fix stupid, but I can fix dangerous to me and my family.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
It certainly LOOKS like a bad shoot, which is not helped by the officer not talking, but "facts"? Sparse at best.
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And the point the poster was making is that ‘bad shoot’ wouldn’t have happened if no one had guns. We have wankers in our police force as well, the worst they can do is give people a kicking or tazer them. The poster I agreed with is bang on with reference to the fact that all the training in the world doesn’t stop mistakes happening. The problem is a mistake with a gun can rarely be rectified after the fact. It’s pretty final.
 
It really should be easy. The US is NEVER going to give up guns. Let the citizens have handguns, try and keep controls and regulations as strict as possible. Take away the semi-automatic rifles and similar weapons that are only intended to kill as many people as fast as possible. Baby steps.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Carry on, tough guy! That'll help you greatly should you ever be faced with a home invasion in the US.
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Where as I’ve already posted the stats that 0.01% of people that own guns for protection ever get burgled where as the other other 99.9% are 4 times as likely to injure themselves or someone else with their gun than actually defend themselves.

Just say it, you like guns. You like their power. You don’t want to lose them. No one is gonna argue against that point as it’s your real opinion. The self defence argument is, for 99.9% of people, not valid.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
"Bottle merchants."

Hmmm, Scottish tough guy. Got it. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Carry on, tough guy! That'll help you greatly should you ever be faced with a home invasion in the US.
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Ah the dreaded home invasion. Locks and decent alarm systems usually seem to be doing a better job at keeping burglars at bay though.
Also, most burglaries seem to take place between 10 am and 3pm, so you're likely not even home to shoot anyone.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Err, Magna Carta?

It may be amusing to denounce the foundational documents of a country that, in a few centuries, went from a revolutionary war to remove itself from under the boot of Britain to possibly the most powerful country in the world. However, many citizens of that country find almost any denunciation of America from someone from Britain as somewhat laughable.

None of that speaks to how I feel about the Constitution.
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Was curious if this would come up. And whether the US psyche associates guns with freedom in a way that British folk might not understand. In this way British
people trying to tell americans what to do with guns could, I imagine, easily be perceived as an attempt to take away freedom (even if not consciously) 200 years after independence.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
"Bottle merchants."

Hmmm, Scottish tough guy. Got it. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Carry on, tough guy! That'll help you greatly should you ever be faced with a home invasion in the US.
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I look forward to it. I'd just shout take what you want I'm insured for plenty.

Just an observation about the fear level. Reinforced by American shows like Mahers whose show examines how the right wing media try to terrify people. Everything's a threat.

Peoples fear of Islamic terrorism
Is off the charts. We aren't in the same league regarding people fearing an islamic attack and we are much more likely to have one.

A lot of people believe this hyped up shit and are actually in fear, where no real threat exists, then to solve that they buy a gun, but are still scared, so they buy another, but still edgy, they buy an assault rifle.

Where does it end. When will they realise it's designed to make them scared to sell them guns and to have a big military.

Easily scared. I stand by that.( not everyone obviously but enough)
 
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