Arsenal (H) Post Match Thread

Chippy_boy said:
I am a bit of a numpty on the offside rule, so forgive me. But, what's not in doubt is that Jesus is in an offside position throughout. Before, during and after the ball was kicked, he's always in an offside position.

Isn't he therefore offside when he receives the ball and becomes active?
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What? Like when? When Silva passes the ball to him, if I recall well, he's behind the ball, therefore he cannot be offside.
 
So I watched a recording of the game yesterday when we got home. It confirmed a number of things I thought on Sunday: we could and should have been 3 or 4 up at half time, some of the chances wasted in the first half were woeful. Kun and Raz in particular. I thought Fern, Dave, John and Kev had brilliant games. Sane was a little off the pace the whole game. Particularly in the second half, Raz was making some really tasty runs that were being ignored particularly by Kev. Ota played really well apart from their goal. He should have stuck with Lacazette run as Stones and Fern had Ramsay covered. I thought the club handled th3 presentation to Kun really well. Real class.

I genuinely believe we beat them whilst never getting out of second gear. Says a lot about the quality of this squad.
 
The fact is 8 or 9 of our players had really tough game away to the unbeaten Serie A leaders just a few days before , and the Goons played their reserves in the losers cup against a nobody team , the concerning thing for old c*nt Wenger is we didnt have to get out of 2nd gear to beat his bunch of underachievers . The penalty was nailed on Monreal pushed and then tripped Sterling , and the offside was marginal at the most , perhaps if his spineless team played to the whistle instead of expecting the linesman to bail them out every time they would have been able to make the score more respectable. Wenger is a stubborn old bastard who is living in the past , his own supporters have wanted rid of him for years , and his teams have no backbone , the sooner he f*cks of to China to earn a few more quid the better , good riddance.
 
IFAB GLOSSARY

KICK • The ball is kicked when a player makes contact with the foot and/or the ankle

I'd like to see a re-run of the pass from an in-line camera for exactly when Silva makes contact with the ball (not a millisecond later as the ball has come off his foot to see how close this really was due to players moving in opposite directions). Sky cameras show the offside after the ball has left Silvas foot which as the above states is not when the ball is deemed to have been kicked.
Distance covered if both parties were moving at 15mph in 0.1 seconds = 1.35m (enough to put him onside)

I know its all fluff as it was given but be interesting to see.
 
Kinkys Left Foot said:
IFAB GLOSSARY

KICK • The ball is kicked when a player makes contact with the foot and/or the ankle

I'd like to see a re-run of the pass from an in-line camera for exactly when Silva makes contact with the ball (not a millisecond later as the ball has come off his foot to see how close this really was due to players moving in opposite directions). Sky cameras show the offside after the ball has left Silvas foot which as the above states is not when the ball is deemed to have been kicked.
Distance covered if both parties were moving at 15mph in 0.1 seconds = 1.35m (enough to put him onside)

I know its all fluff as it was given but be interesting to see.
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Silva's foot?
 
I’ve been reading the match day thread on Goonersworld, and I started to have some sympathy for Arsenal fans. They have some loyal, long standing fans, who are just so fed up of the way their club has been mismanaged.

Most of them don’t rate Ramsey, and they despair of the tactics and selections of their manager. They don’t seem to have that much hatred towards us, although this guy didn’t go down too well.

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They definitely would prefer us winning the league than their London rivals or United (Mourinho).

This was an interesting take on the game, given that we thought it was below what we are capable of. There are many other complementary comments, with not much love lost for the officials, Wenger, Ramsey or their club in general really.

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Go to 10:40 in the tunnel cam video. What’s Pep doing exactly? It appears like he’s pacing & talking to himself. I’m getting that vibe because none of the players were looking at him or even paying attention.

Just seems odd

 
DeBruyneWaterInMeEToilet said:
Go to 10:40 in the tunnel cam video. What’s Pep doing exactly? It appears like he’s pacing & talking to himself. I’m getting that vibe because none of the players were looking at him or even paying attention.

Just seems odd

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While it does look odd, I am pretty sure that its just overdubbed audio. Pep probably said something not suitable for broadcast or something secret and the video editors have just taken audio from unused footage and overdubbed it.
 
Passittogordon said:
While it does look odd, I am pretty sure that its just overdubbed audio. Pep probably said something not suitable for broadcast or something secret and the video editors have just taken audio from unused footage and overdubbed it.
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I get the audio part, for sure. But it’s just the physical aspect of the whole thing that seems odd. Just seemed kind of awkward because he was looking at the ground & talking while he was pacing. Seems like he was just muttering stuff
 
Kinkys Left Foot said:
IFAB GLOSSARY

KICK • The ball is kicked when a player makes contact with the foot and/or the ankle

I'd like to see a re-run of the pass from an in-line camera for exactly when Silva makes contact with the ball (not a millisecond later as the ball has come off his foot to see how close this really was due to players moving in opposite directions). Sky cameras show the offside after the ball has left Silvas foot which as the above states is not when the ball is deemed to have been kicked.
Distance covered if both parties were moving at 15mph in 0.1 seconds = 1.35m (enough to put him onside)

I know its all fluff as it was given but be interesting to see.
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See below, frame 2. It's not exactly in line with play, but this is the moment Fernandino first touches the ball and at that point, Silva's left leg is already ahead of the 2nd last defender, and he is therefore offside.
Chippy_boy said:
I came on this thread to show how Silva was *definitely* offside, and I have to say I am surprised.

He is in fact offside, but it is much closer than I thought. And taking this "when did Fernandino actually play the ball" question into account, it varies from *just* off, to quite clearly off, depending on whether you go for the moment of first contact with Ferna's boot, or a tiny bit later than that. Either which way, Silva was off.


This is *before* Fernandino kicks the ball. Silva is on, but Ferna hasn't touched the ball yet. You can just make out his right boot peaking out from behind his left leg as he prepares to play the ball.
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This is the first point Ferna touches the ball. Notice the ball has not moved yet. Silva is already (very marginally) off.
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This is the point the ball clearly moves. Silva is even further off.
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And finally, this is the point they choose to freeze the frame. The ball has long departed from Ferna's boot, and of course Silva is even more off by then.
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The point though, is it was mighty close. A travesty of a refereeing decision, it was NOT.
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Chippy_boy said:
See below, frame 2. It's not exactly in line with play, but this is the moment Fernandino first touches the ball and at that point, Silva's left leg is already ahead of the 2nd last defender, and he is therefore offside.
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Much appreciated for that.
It was exactly what I wanted to see.
As I suspected the ball was kicked as per definition at the 2nd snapshot - Silvas foot is offside the rest of his body is level, too close for a decision to be overturned by VAR imo and perfectly understandable why the assistant ref may get the decision wrong as there is sufficient distance between the two parties that both are not in the same eyeline at the same time and the time delay between switching between the 2 and extrapolating the difference from when the ball was kicked is sufficient to end up with allowing the goal.
Given that the frames are successive at 1/24 thats a differnce of 0.042 seconds between frames 4 x 100ths of a second later. Don't know what Wenger is getting his knickers in a twist about.
 
First time this season I have 'clicked' on Tunnel Cam. What worries me is the number of steps they come down.
One slip and could be out of the game with injury .
 
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