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Some real bitterness in this one - Luke Edwards who has form being an embittered anti City Pratt

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...ave-tried-beat-man-city-rather-resort-damage/

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City’s smug travelling support provoked their hosts by cheering whenever the home team got across the halfway line.

Guardiola had called for more protection for his players from match officials and he got it from this one. Marriner tended to give City the benefit of the doubt on virtually every 50-50 decision even though their dominance of the game meant they rarely needed it.

brilliant as they can be, it is getting to the point where far too many games they are involved in follow the same repetitive pattern. It is in danger of becoming a little dull.
 
Mikejl said:
Some real bitterness in this one - Luke Edwards who has form being an embittered anti City Pratt

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...ave-tried-beat-man-city-rather-resort-damage/

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City’s smug travelling support provoked their hosts by cheering whenever the home team got across the halfway line.

Guardiola had called for more protection for his players from match officials and he got it from this one. Marriner tended to give City the benefit of the doubt on virtually every 50-50 decision even though their dominance of the game meant they rarely needed it.

brilliant as they can be, it is getting to the point where far too many games they are involved in follow the same repetitive pattern. It is in danger of becoming a little dull.
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That's about the mentality of a journalist. Blame City for playing the same way not the opposition for getting their complete 11 inside their own half and leaving it once or twice in 90 minutes.
 
Blue Llama said:
That's about the mentality of a journalist. Blame City for playing the same way not the opposition for getting their complete 11 inside their own half and leaving it once or twice in 90 minutes.
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Have you read the article? It is completely different to the narrative given above.

Newcastle or criticised for their approach and the only criticism of Cuty is that they are too good which is forcing some teams to play that way.
 
franksinatra said:
Have you read the article? It is completely different to the narrative given above.

Newcastle or criticised for their approach and the only criticism of Cuty is that they are too good which is forcing some teams to play that way.
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Sorry Frank, tinfoil hat on here, narrative is being taken now by a few and I stress a few journalists & Utd/Liverpool ex pros that it’s boring, along with the parallel narrative that you have to kick us off the pitch which sooner or later is going to get one of our players a career ending injury. I’d have given Edwards the benefit of the doubt had he covered the potential leg breaker on his ref analysis but he was clear in stating that we got all the 50-50 decisions and failed to mention Murphy’s foul. Therein lies the intentional bias of the writer IMO
 
Mikejl said:
Sorry Frank, tinfoil hat on here, narrative is being taken now by a few and I stress a few journalists & Utd/Liverpool ex pros that it’s boring, along with the parallel narrative that you have to kick us off the pitch which sooner or later is going to get one of our players a career ending injury. I’d have given Edwards the benefit of the doubt had he covered the potential leg breaker on his ref analysis but he was clear in stating that we got all the 50-50 decisions and failed to mention Murphy’s foul. Therein lies the intentional bias of the writer IMO
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Mikejl I think you make some valid points but as you have not mentiomed anything from the rest of your article I think you have inaccurately represented the overall narrative of the article.

I do agree it was a terrible foul and tackles like that need punishing but on the wider context of the match Newcastle were not overly physical because teams instead of engaging with us in midfield areas now sit on the edge of the box closing down space behind and limiting space for KDB/Silva/Gundogan between the lines of the defence and midfield. That I believe was the point the journalist was making and one I would agree with.

I think anybody as a neutral fan or a journalist would have wanted to see a bit more competitiveness from a Newcastle side and historically its something I have heard a million times at the Etihad or Maine Road about ‘getting stuck in’, ‘let them know you are there’ etc. Nothing wrong with that so I do not know why everytime its suggested its inferred the writer/commentator is suggesting they injure our players.

As for this Danny Murphy whinge Its ridiculous to suggest Murphy would want our players injured or any poor tackles have stemmed from his words. I very much doubt a ex-professional like Murphy would wish for a serious injury on another player and the rehabilitation and effect on quality of life which goes with it. Most people would not wish that on their worst enemy let alone a fellow footballer just so a game of football is more interesting.
 
franksinatra said:
Mikejl I think you make some valid points but as you have not mentiomed anything from the rest of your article I think you have inaccurately represented the overall narrative of the article.

I do agree it was a terrible foul and tackles like that need punishing but on the wider context of the match Newcastle were not overly physical because teams instead of engaging with us in midfield areas now sit on the edge of the box closing down space behind and limiting space for KDB/Silva/Gundogan between the lines of the defence and midfield. That I believe was the point the journalist was making and one I would agree with.

I think anybody as a neutral fan or a journalist would have wanted to see a bit more competitiveness from a Newcastle side and historically its something I have heard a million times at the Etihad or Maine Road about ‘getting stuck in’, ‘let them know you are there’ etc. Nothing wrong with that so I do not know why everytime its suggested its inferred the writer/commentator is suggesting they injure our players.

As for this Danny Murphy whinge Its ridiculous to suggest Murphy would want our players injured or any poor tackles have stemmed from his words. I very much doubt a ex-professional like Murphy would wish for a serious injury on another player and the rehabilitation and effect on quality of life which goes with it. Most people would not wish that on their worst enemy let alone a fellow footballer just so a game of football is more interesting.
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I think I’ll take the valid points as a bonus Frank ;)

I’m not stating the article per se is overtly anti City, however throughout it seems grudgingly supportive, overall the media narrative has moved very positively in our favour. There is however though this strand still of anti City in pockets of the media everywhere- choosing to run with the latest narrative espoused by either Mourinho his puppets such as Castles/Custis/Curry/Jackson et al or various expro Utd/Pool pundits - the latest being get stuck in or it its all getting dull or financial doping or most expensive defenders etc routinely forgetting the hypocrisy of a United & ex Sky 4 domination of the league for 20 years & how much they have spent. Imagine the headlines had we bought VVD for £75M!

Reality bites Frank & we are still faced with a
mixture of shoddy or bitter journalism whilst the old order is being pushed aside.
 
Mikejl said:
I think I’ll take the valid points as a bonus Frank ;)

I’m not stating the article per se is overtly anti City, however throughout it seems grudgingly supportive, overall the media narrative has moved very positively in our favour. There is however though this strand still of anti City in pockets of the media everywhere- choosing to run with the latest narrative espoused by either Mourinho his puppets such as Castles/Custis/Curry/Jackson et al or various expro Utd/Pool pundits - the latest being get stuck in or it its all getting dull or financial doping or most expensive defenders etc routinely forgetting the hypocrisy of a United & ex Sky 4 domination of the league for 20 years & how much they have spent. Imagine the headlines had we bought VVD for £75M!

Reality bites Frank & we are still faced with a
mixture of shoddy or bitter journalism whilst the old order is being pushed aside.
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I was being generous in my first paragraph before the critique commenced :-).

I think a lot of the issues you highlight or more how media has changed with information being 24/7 and the story having to constantly evolve to ensure clicks etc..

If someone like Mourinho makes a statement it will be analysed and discussed because its fills airtime and creates another topic to discuss. Media is 24/7 nowadays rather than the papers in the morning and so the theme has to continually change to create interest.

Shoddy journalism will never go away but again time pressures etc do have an influence on that.
 
SSN City have spent £86m on 2 keepers? Then pointed out Ederson was £34m now I’m pretty sure bravo wasn’t £52m, even the goat didn’t pull them up on it
 
Tanzeylee said:
SSN City have spent £86m on 2 keepers? Then pointed out Ederson was £34m now I’m pretty sure bravo wasn’t £52m, even the goat didn’t pull them up on it
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I saw that too, scratching my head as to how they came up with that number?
 
They come out with this dross because nobody challenges them on it, nobody highlights how successful the players we have bought have been either, compared to the rest of the top 6... We shall just have to keep ramming results down their necks won't we :-)
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Good point and almost certainly correct.
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Just thinking back over the last 10-20 years, £34m Ederson, £16m Bravo, £8m Given and £3m Isaksson makes £61m, apart from that we've had home grown and frees going back to the time the record fee for a keeper was £200k. Did we pay a fee for David James? I'm 99.999% sure we haven't spent that on keepers, no make that 100%.

Edit: Willy, Pants and Hart might be another £10m between them, call it £75m tops including James going back to a time when transfer fees were a lot, lot smaller, where the fuck have they pulled that from?
 
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aguero93:20 said:
Just thinking back over the last 10-20 years, £34m Ederson, £16m Bravo, £8m Given and £3m Isaksson makes £61m, apart from that we've had home grown and frees going back to the time the record fee for a keeper was £200k. Did we pay a fee for David James? I'm 99.999% sure we haven't spent that on keepers, no make that 100%.
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I can’t recall David James’ fee.

(All iirc) Tony Coton was just over a million; Andy Dibble and Ike Immel half a mill; Paul Cooper 100k, Perry Suckling and Keith McRea about the same. Weaver was about half a mill too. Nixon, Williams, Corrigan, Margetson and Swift were all free. Trautmann a nominal sum from St Helens. Don’t know how much Mulhearn was. I’m sure I’ve missed quite a few off.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I can’t recall David James’ fee.

(All iirc) Tony Coton was just over a million; Andy Dibble and Ike Immel half a mill; Paul Cooper 100k, Perry Suckling and Keith McRea about the same. Weaver was about half a mill too. Nixon, Williams, Corrigan, Margetson and Swift were all free. Trautmann a nominal sum from St Helens. Don’t know how much Mulhearn was. I’m sure I’ve missed quite a few off.
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Yeah I've thrown in enough to make 75m on an edit there and I've estimated everything at the highest end possible, even with yours it's still going to be a struggle to make up £80m.
 
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