City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

cleavers said:
Its been 2 or 3 tier for about 20 years, united created the first gap, fortunately we were able to breach the gap in 2008.
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Yes. Let's not forget, United were part of the initial 'Cartel', when the Sky money started arriving.
I can remember, Abramovic's Chelsea being clapped out at OT as champions, the ground was absolutely deserted before the end.
Those Irish lads sold to the Glaziers, the very next day.
There was room for Chelsea in their cosy top 4, but when our investment arrived, that was it. "They can't do that! Change the rules"! Shithouses
 
I think we are very hard to target on our own now.

The multi club structure is probably the most unique aspect, but I can’t see what they can target there that we are currently doing.

The academy could also be seen as a target but it will be a hard sell to stop investment in youth.

The transfer spend thing cannot happen, deals are structured way to complicated and other factors come into them that it would take a lot to monitor and have rules for this.

The all powerful Gill will also not want this so I would not expect it to happen.
 
If a player has a release clause of above £100mil would that mean they are unobtainable forever or is their contract redrafted?
 
moomba said:
Or the fact they were in breach of FFP rules the year we got fined, but got put on monitoring rather than a punishment because the didn't qualify for Europe.
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Not quite true as I understand it. They certainly breached FFP rules but were able to claim mitigation under Annex XI, which allowed them to take wages paid in 2012 under contracts signed prior to June 2010 into account. That’s the same provision where they changed the basis of calculation, from one where we could have done the same to one where we then couldn’t. We’d submitted accounts which met the original criteria, which was subsequently changed to a basis that ensured we failed.
 
nmc said:
Salary caps are not always the panacea for all ills. In baseball teams like the Yankees have a history of just breaking it and paying a fine, in ice hockey they can never agree where to set it and in NFL teams don’t have to pay up to the cap - so dome teams are genuinely uncompetitive- the Buccs - under Glazer - have operated well below the cap.
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Sure, but that's because that depends on how the rules are about salary caps and the incentive is to do perform.

MLB, as far as I understand, has extremely lenient cap rules so richer teams can afford to pay the "luxury tax."

American sport also doesn't have relegation and has drafts for clubs that do the worst, so that disincentivises clubs to have to win compared to say European football.

One significant problem is that we tend to look at things as fans, not players. Salary caps restrict the free-market for players, limiting movement and capacity to earn the most the market will dictate based on their extremely unique abilities and what that can do for a club's amibitions/wealth accumulation (i.e. Neymar). If UEFA or whoever go too far one could see the players and agents start to make a bit of a stink about imposing these rules.
 
PrezIke said:
Sure, but that's because that depends on how the rules are about salary caps and the incentive is to do perform.

MLB, as far as I understand, has extremely lenient cap rules so richer teams can afford to pay the "luxury tax."

American sport also doesn't have relegation and has drafts for clubs that do the worst, so that disincentivises clubs to have to win compared to say European football.

One significant problem is that we tend to look at things as fans, not players. Salary caps restrict the free-market for players, limiting movement and capacity to earn the most the market will dictate based on their extremely unique abilities and what that can do for a club's amibitions/wealth accumulation (i.e. Neymar). If UEFA or whoever go too far one could see the players and agents start to make a bit of a stink about imposing these rules.
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Salary caps are illegal in the EU.
 
PrezIke said:
One significant problem is that we tend to look at things as fans, not players. Salary caps restrict the free-market for players, limiting movement and capacity to earn the most the market will dictate based on their extremely unique abilities and what that can do for a club's amibitions/wealth accumulation (i.e. Neymar). If UEFA or whoever go too far one could see the players and agents start to make a bit of a stink about imposing these rules.
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Correct. Remember we had to pay over the odds to attract the best players, only a free market enabled us to do that.
 
American sports also go through strikes and lockouts every now and then when there's a dispute between the owners and the players over money.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Not quite true as I understand it. They certainly breached FFP rules but were able to claim mitigation under Annex XI, which allowed them to take wages paid in 2012 under contracts signed prior to June 2010 into account. That’s the same provision where they changed the basis of calculation, from one where we could have done the same to one where we then couldn’t. We’d submitted accounts which met the original criteria, which was subsequently changed to a basis that ensured we failed.
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I thought they couldn't get that due to a declining trend in their results. By the time they qualified for Europe and became subject to penalties that trend had been reversed.

But I stand corrected if that wasn't the case.
 
nmc said:
Salary caps are not always the panacea for all ills. In baseball teams like the Yankees have a history of just breaking it and paying a fine, in ice hockey they can never agree where to set it and in NFL teams don’t have to pay up to the cap - so dome teams are genuinely uncompetitive- the Buccs - under Glazer - have operated well below the cap.
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Plus richer clubs will have sponsorship arrangements to increase player salaries in the same way we’d cover say Messi today if he joined.
 
So, UEFA have assessed the reaction to initial 'leaks' and now singing a bit different tune:
Ceferin revealed talks with leagues and clubs would begin on Tuesday about the luxury tax he first floated almost a year ago, something that would see teams exceeding a certain threshold fined on a sliding scale, with the money raised distributed either among their rivals or to “social responsibility programmes”.

Europe’s political leaders blocked Michel Platini, Ceferin’s predecessor, from introducing a more traditional salary cap almost a decade ago, but the Slovenian was confident a luxury tax could be implemented without their approval.
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“We have some sporting measures that we can establish without politicians. We can do luxury tax, we can limit the loans, we can limit the number of registered players.”
All those measures are set to be discussed on Tuesday at the annual meeting of Uefa’s Professional Strategy Council, the members of which include Richard Scudamore, the Premier League executive chairman, and other key stakeholders.
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Ceferin also revealed European football’s governing body was on the brink of submitting proposals to Fifa for agents’ fees to be capped and for the reintroduction of a licensing system for intermediaries, joking it had become possible for even a “killer” to represent players and clubs.
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This 'confession' is worth mentioning:
“You will be surprised that even the biggest clubs want us to do something.”
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There is already a salary cap......it's called don't sign the player.

We pulled out of Sanchez deal because it made no sense. We did not need rules written down
 
What's hilarious is that new regulations will come in that are specifically aimed at us, even though we are the only top team showing any form of restraint.

They will ban Football Groups or something, you watch.
 
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