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Do you really believe the league is over...?
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Unfortunately you have to hand it to the red t***s.
Behind against Chelsea and Palace and they snatch a victory on both occasions.
It's obvious they are desperate not to do the guard of honour or let City win the title on derby day.
Can't say I'm not a little bit gutted about their comeback and last minute winner tonight.
The dream of winning the league before the derby or on the night is fading.
With Brighton still in the FA Cup, that has cost us another possible 3 points before the derby.
Hmmm.
Behind against Chelsea and Palace and they snatch a victory on both occasions.
It's obvious they are desperate not to do the guard of honour or let City win the title on derby day.
Can't say I'm not a little bit gutted about their comeback and last minute winner tonight.
The dream of winning the league before the derby or on the night is fading.
With Brighton still in the FA Cup, that has cost us another possible 3 points before the derby.
Hmmm.
Unfortunately you have to hand it to the red t***s.
Behind against Chelsea and Palace and they snatch a victory on both occasions.
It's obvious they are desperate not to do the guard of honour or let City win the title on derby day.
Can't say I'm not a little bit gutted about their comeback and last minute winner tonight.
The dream of winning the league before the derby or on the night is fading.
With Brighton still in the FA Cup, that has cost us another possible 3 points before the derby.
Hmmm.
A draw on Saturday and its nailed on for Derby Day , a draw is the favoured result and 0-0 at that but should Liverpool take the lead I doubt Manure can make it three comebacks from being behind on the spin in the league.
It would be typical of them to spoil the derby by dropping points at West Ham however.
Unfortunately you have to hand it to the red t***s.
Behind against Chelsea and Palace and they snatch a victory on both occasions.
It's obvious they are desperate not to do the guard of honour or let City win the title on derby day.
Can't say I'm not a little bit gutted about their comeback and last minute winner tonight.
The dream of winning the league before the derby or on the night is fading.
With Brighton still in the FA Cup, that has cost us another possible 3 points before the derby.
Hmmm.
It very much still ON
A draw on Saturday and its nailed on for Derby Day , a draw is the favoured result and 0-0 at that but should Liverpool take the lead I doubt Manure can make it three comebacks from being behind on the spin in the league.
It would be typical of them to spoil the derby by dropping points at West Ham however.
Their WHU game is postponed the same like ours vs Brigthon, same date, that san FA cup weekend.
It’s actually very much still on (that we win the title on the night we play United - assuming we beat them).
Assuming united beat Swansea
And Liverpool beat watford and palace
And we beat stoke and Everton
The only permutation that stops us from winning the title by beating united is if Liverpool beat United at the weekend (as we will be tied on points with Liverpool and not be crowned champions until the following week)
Perversely I now want anything but a Liverpool win at the weekend
If I’m not mistaken a guard of honour is now impossible as we wouldn’t have broken the 85 point magic number - regardless of permutations of other results
Edit ~ rags lose to Liverpool and Swansea and then Liverpool drop 4 points against Watford / palace and the guard of honour still possible
Assuming united beat Swansea
And Liverpool beat watford and palace
And we beat stoke and Everton
The only permutation that stops us from winning the title by beating united is if Liverpool beat United at the weekend (as we will be tied on points with Liverpool and not be crowned champions until the following week)
Perversely I now want anything but a Liverpool win at the weekend
If I’m not mistaken a guard of honour is now impossible as we wouldn’t have broken the 85 point magic number - regardless of permutations of other results
Edit ~ rags lose to Liverpool and Swansea and then Liverpool drop 4 points against Watford / palace and the guard of honour still possible
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Edit ~ rags lose to Liverpool and Swansea and then Liverpool drop 4 points against Watford / palace and the guard of honour still possible
Nope. The case you describe would come to this before the derby day.
City: 31 games 84points (if we beat Stoke, everton)
Utd: 31 games 62points
Pool: 32 games 66 points (they beat Utd, bit draw both Watford and Palace)
vs United it would be guaranteed as 22p lead in 7 games is impossible.
But vs Pool its 18 points and they still got 6 games to go.
What we need so is Liverpool to beat Utd, utd to lose to Swansea at home (:D), then Liverpool to get only maximum 1 point from the Watford/Palace fixtures so a draw and a loss maximum.
In That case we are champions at the moment of beating Everton. Works out as its scheduled to be a Saturday late game 5.30 with Pool, United both playing earlier haha.
Thats the only fucking way.
(We also would need Tottenham not winning next two games. that could fuck it up too.)
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Assuming we beat Stoke, surely a draw is the best result, as they both drop 2 points.16 points up with 27 to play for, with any luck the dippers win at he rags and we win at stoke.
Then it is 18 clear of the dippers in second with 24 to play for.
TravisBickle
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Unfortunately you have to hand it to the red t***s.
Behind against Chelsea and Palace and they snatch a victory on both occasions.
It's obvious they are desperate not to do the guard of honour or let City win the title on derby day.
Can't say I'm not a little bit gutted about their comeback and last minute winner tonight.
The dream of winning the league before the derby or on the night is fading.
With Brighton still in the FA Cup, that has cost us another possible 3 points before the derby.
Hmmm.
There is fuck all they can do about it tbh.
I’m very confident we’ll win the title beating them comfortably in the process.
With no FA Cup games to worry about I can only see 3 easy victories for City in them upcoming games.
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If our postponed game is after the derby than we need United to beat Liverpool actually if our goal is to win the title as ASAP which should be imo.
A Utd win or a draw would be the best result for us. Both results mean we can win it on Derby day.
jimharri
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Have you looked at the table? If I'm right, we both have two PL games before the derby. Assuming we both win both our games, we go into the derby 16 (SIXTEEN) points clear. A win would leave that gap at 19 points with only 6 games remaining.It's obvious they are desperate not to do the guard of honour or let City win the title on derby day.
Can't say I'm not a little bit gutted about their comeback and last minute winner tonight.
The dream of winning the league before the derby or on the night is fading.
With Brighton still in the FA Cup, that has cost us another possible 3 points before the derby.
Hmmm.
PragueBlue
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Have you looked at the table? If I'm right, we both have two PL games before the derby. Assuming we both win both our games, we go into the derby 16 (SIXTEEN) points clear. A win would leave that gap at 19 points with only 6 games remaining.
I can't see them beating Liverpool to be honest. If Liverpool win all their games before the derby, they would still be 18 behind with 6 games left I think. So to win it on derby day I think we would need the rags to get some kind of result against Liverpool and for us to win our games against Stoke and Everton.
jimharri
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Fair point. I wasn't looking at Liverpool, tbh. I can see that game on saturday ending in a draw. As long as we win the thing, I'm not going to get hung up on when it happens.I can't see them beating Liverpool to be honest. If Liverpool win all their games before the derby, they would still be 18 behind with 6 games left I think. So to win it on derby day I think we would need the rags to get some kind of result against Liverpool and for us to win our games against Stoke and Everton.
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It will finish 0-0. City will beat Stoke and it will be in our hands to win the next two, Everton are dreadful at the moment so I think we'll easily beat themI can't see them beating Liverpool to be honest. If Liverpool win all their games before the derby, they would still be 18 behind with 6 games left I think. So to win it on derby day I think we would need the rags to get some kind of result against Liverpool and for us to win our games against Stoke and Everton.
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All explained here. My head hurts trying to work it out myself. haha.
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/blog...-man-city-be-crowned-premier-league-champions
How many points do City need?
They need 12 points, or four wins. However, as one of their next three games is against United, they could actually be champions if they win their next three games.
When can City guarantee being champions?
They could win the title at home to United on Saturday. April 7. Their next three games are against Stoke, Everton and then United. Three wins would see City with a lead of 19 points over United with only 18 left to play for, if United win their next two games (vs. Liverpool, Swansea) to keep the pressure on.
The same applies if Man United draw with Liverpool and beat Swansea -- City can win it on April 7 if they beat United and win their other games.
If Liverpool beat United at Old Trafford, and win all their other games (vs. Watford, Palace, Everton, Bournemouth), City would have to wait until they go to Tottenham on April 14 to guarantee it with those four wins.
When is the earliest they can win the title?
Saturday, March 31.
With United and Liverpool playing each other next Saturday, at least one of City's closest rivals will drop points -- and both if it's a draw.
But it's very unlikely City can win the title at the end of this month. They would need Liverpool to beat Manchester United and then pick up no more than two points from games against Watford and Palace. Tottenham would also need to drop points at Bournemouth next weekend. City would then be champions if they win at Stoke and at home to Everton.
It is more realistic that City win the title against United on April 7.
Anything else?
City can also win the title without playing on Sunday, April 1. It would need the above results to happen for Liverpool, with the difference coming around Spurs' performance. If Spurs win at Bournemouth, and City beat Stoke and Everton, the title would be sealed if Spurs failed to beat Chelsea on that Sunday. And that's exactly how Leicester won the title two years ago.
Also, if Liverpool and City keep winning all their games up to April 7, City would then be champions without playing if Liverpool failed to beat Everton (April 8) or Bournemouth (April 14, 3 p.m.) before City play again (Spurs, April 14, 7.45 p.m.).
Would United have to give City a guard of honour?
Yes, this would happen when City came out onto the pitch for the game on April 7 if they have sealed the title before this date
What if United beat City?
If both teams keep winning, and United win at the Etihad, City would then likely have to wait until at least April 22, when they entertain Swansea, to seal the title. They might have to wait another week if they were to lose at Spurs on April 14.
What about Tottenham and Chelsea?
Effectively four points worse off than Manchester United, Spurs would need a miracle to win the title from here. Even more so champions Chelsea, who can only get a maximum of 80 points with Man City already on 78.
And Arsenal?
They are now mathematically out of the title race.
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/blog...-man-city-be-crowned-premier-league-champions
How many points do City need?
They need 12 points, or four wins. However, as one of their next three games is against United, they could actually be champions if they win their next three games.
When can City guarantee being champions?
They could win the title at home to United on Saturday. April 7. Their next three games are against Stoke, Everton and then United. Three wins would see City with a lead of 19 points over United with only 18 left to play for, if United win their next two games (vs. Liverpool, Swansea) to keep the pressure on.
The same applies if Man United draw with Liverpool and beat Swansea -- City can win it on April 7 if they beat United and win their other games.
If Liverpool beat United at Old Trafford, and win all their other games (vs. Watford, Palace, Everton, Bournemouth), City would have to wait until they go to Tottenham on April 14 to guarantee it with those four wins.
When is the earliest they can win the title?
Saturday, March 31.
With United and Liverpool playing each other next Saturday, at least one of City's closest rivals will drop points -- and both if it's a draw.
But it's very unlikely City can win the title at the end of this month. They would need Liverpool to beat Manchester United and then pick up no more than two points from games against Watford and Palace. Tottenham would also need to drop points at Bournemouth next weekend. City would then be champions if they win at Stoke and at home to Everton.
It is more realistic that City win the title against United on April 7.
Anything else?
City can also win the title without playing on Sunday, April 1. It would need the above results to happen for Liverpool, with the difference coming around Spurs' performance. If Spurs win at Bournemouth, and City beat Stoke and Everton, the title would be sealed if Spurs failed to beat Chelsea on that Sunday. And that's exactly how Leicester won the title two years ago.
Also, if Liverpool and City keep winning all their games up to April 7, City would then be champions without playing if Liverpool failed to beat Everton (April 8) or Bournemouth (April 14, 3 p.m.) before City play again (Spurs, April 14, 7.45 p.m.).
Would United have to give City a guard of honour?
Yes, this would happen when City came out onto the pitch for the game on April 7 if they have sealed the title before this date
What if United beat City?
If both teams keep winning, and United win at the Etihad, City would then likely have to wait until at least April 22, when they entertain Swansea, to seal the title. They might have to wait another week if they were to lose at Spurs on April 14.
What about Tottenham and Chelsea?
Effectively four points worse off than Manchester United, Spurs would need a miracle to win the title from here. Even more so champions Chelsea, who can only get a maximum of 80 points with Man City already on 78.
And Arsenal?
They are now mathematically out of the title race.
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So basically we need a United win or draw v Liverpool... FFS.
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All explained here. My head hurts trying to work it out myself. haha.
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/blog...-man-city-be-crowned-premier-league-champions
How many points do City need?
They need 12 points, or four wins. However, as one of their next three games is against United, they could actually be champions if they win their next three games.
When can City guarantee being champions?
They could win the title at home to United on Saturday. April 7. Their next three games are against Stoke, Everton and then United. Three wins would see City with a lead of 19 points over United with only 18 left to play for, if United win their next two games (vs. Liverpool, Swansea) to keep the pressure on.
The same applies if Man United draw with Liverpool and beat Swansea -- City can win it on April 7 if they beat United and win their other games.
If Liverpool beat United at Old Trafford, and win all their other games (vs. Watford, Palace, Everton, Bournemouth), City would have to wait until they go to Tottenham on April 14 to guarantee it with those four wins.
When is the earliest they can win the title?
Saturday, March 31.
With United and Liverpool playing each other next Saturday, at least one of City's closest rivals will drop points -- and both if it's a draw.
But it's very unlikely City can win the title at the end of this month. They would need Liverpool to beat Manchester United and then pick up no more than two points from games against Watford and Palace. Tottenham would also need to drop points at Bournemouth next weekend. City would then be champions if they win at Stoke and at home to Everton.
It is more realistic that City win the title against United on April 7.
Anything else?
City can also win the title without playing on Sunday, April 1. It would need the above results to happen for Liverpool, with the difference coming around Spurs' performance. If Spurs win at Bournemouth, and City beat Stoke and Everton, the title would be sealed if Spurs failed to beat Chelsea on that Sunday. And that's exactly how Leicester won the title two years ago.
Also, if Liverpool and City keep winning all their games up to April 7, City would then be champions without playing if Liverpool failed to beat Everton (April 8) or Bournemouth (April 14, 3 p.m.) before City play again (Spurs, April 14, 7.45 p.m.).
Would United have to give City a guard of honour?
Yes, this would happen when City came out onto the pitch for the game on April 7 if they have sealed the title before this date
What if United beat City?
If both teams keep winning, and United win at the Etihad, City would then likely have to wait until at least April 22, when they entertain Swansea, to seal the title. They might have to wait another week if they were to lose at Spurs on April 14.
What about Tottenham and Chelsea?
Effectively four points worse off than Manchester United, Spurs would need a miracle to win the title from here. Even more so champions Chelsea, who can only get a maximum of 80 points with Man City already on 78.
And Arsenal?
They are now mathematically out of the title race.
Can you amend point 3 - it says "Everton at home" when it's away - thanks.
Sorry, but no way do I want United to win ANY game of football. We're going to win this league and I'd be more than happy if its against Spurs or whoever if it means Liverpool smash those red c..ts. I've never seen such a shit team win so many games and they don't deserve 2nd place
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Oh yes we can....You'll never win anything with plastic empty stadiums.
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No No No, United draw or win against Liverpool and we win the league after a victory in the derby if we also beat Stoke and Everton.16 points up with 27 to play for, with any luck the dippers win at he rags and we win at stoke.