United thread 2017/18

[BlueMoonz1977]

I would like to apologise for my language last night when Seville scored. Got a bit over excited.

Apology not accepted....because one isn’t needed : )

 

[jimharri]

When you last have a shower :)

I had a shower 9 or 10 days ago, so I shouldn't be too bad.

 

[mat]

Say what you like about Pogbad - He's a fecking game changer!

 

[Grassland Blue]

I doubt that I will still be alive to see us eclipse their total of League titles, however ,the number of Champions leagues is a different matter altogether!

 

[worsleyweb]

I doubt that I will still be alive to see us eclipse their total of League titles, however ,the number of Champions leagues is a different matter altogether!

Hang on for another 16 years and you never know.

 

[JASR]

I would like to apologise for my language last night when Seville scored. Got a bit over excited.

It felt pretty much like the aguero moment, a signpost on the road to a delightful future

 

[talkativesprout]

The Futures Bright The futures Orange

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Sickening isn't it? Who were the scum fans who were responsible for it? I am still amazed they were let off Scott free at the time by some of our fans.

But the club sanctioned it and encouraged it, which is a bigger disgrace in my opinion.

All clubs have fans who are cnuts throughout football as we all know, but for the club to actively support such arrogance says so much about the whole ethos and lack of principle of the board, manager , etc. Fucking shameless, and they deserve all the shit that is heaped upon them at every failure , of which I hope there are so many.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

A succession of crappy managers since the GPC retired, a succession of mediocre players, but an over-weaning sense of entitlement among the fans that no matter who runs the show, who kicks the ball, what the ex-Rag pundits say in the studio before a game, they are God's gift to football and should be awarded the points immediately after the warm up!

United have had 10 managers since Busby only one of them have won the league. Everything goes to plan next few weeks the last 3 City managers will have won the league. They got lucky with one freak of nature manager who managed stacked up trophies for a decade before any real opposition arrived in the premier league.

They were expensive and shite before Fergie rocked up and now they are back to where they were in the 80s. How long will the lemmings in the Home Counties, Ireland and the Far East put up with tying their colours to the raggy mast? They can’t brag to their mates in the pub about the trophies they were winning, instead they are getting pelters and sticking by a sinking ship is not in a rags dna.

Let’s get this league wrapped up and make it as painful as possible, then come back in the summer and destroy them again. There must be some bean counters at old Trafford who are feeling pretty unnerved at what financial situation can unfold if they keep trying to compete.

 

[mad4city]

Any excuse to share the bard, Shuttleworth. :-)

 

[nmc]

United have had 10 managers since Busby only one of them have won the league. Everything goes to plan next few weeks the last 3 City managers will have won the league. They got lucky with one freak of nature manager who managed stacked up trophies for a decade before any real opposition arrived in the premier league.

They were expensive and shite before Fergie rocked up and now they are back to where they were in the 80s. How long will the lemmings in the Home Counties, Ireland and the Far East put up with tying their colours to the raggy mast? They can’t brag to their mates in the pub about the trophies they were winning, instead they are getting pelters and sticking by a sinking ship is not in a rags dna.

Let’s get this league wrapped up and make it as painful as possible, then come back in the summer and destroy them again. There must be some bean counters at old Trafford who are feeling pretty unnerved at what financial situation can unfold if they keep trying to compete.

Bang on. The Rags are back to the 80s expensive summer signings, high expectations and 2nd best on the pitch. Long may it continue. I’m really hoping they keep PEG and let him blow a fortune on 30 year olds this summer on sky high long term deals.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

There are also a handful of players in the dressing room who feel conned by the board.

United have purposely been delaying contract talks and utilising one year renewal options to avoid paying players more money until they have to.

This had caused a huge rift in the dressing room in light of the money some of them are on.

In particular, Rojo, Martial, Blind, De Gea, Herrera and Mata were/are being delayed.

Was bound to happen once they started paying Lukaku, Pogba, Big Nose and Sanchez the big dough.

Their problems started when they came up with the ruse of Rooney's transfer request in 2010. They'd been tightly managed financuially up to then with a wage structure that was well below ours and Chelsea's. They could offer trophies but none of the top players would go there as it would mean taking a pay cut. Hence why there was "no value in the market". But Baconface's ability to make a title winning team that had players of more modest ability saw them right.

To get round this problem, Gill, Ferguson and (I assume) Rooney's agent Paul Stretford came up with the wizard scheme of getting Wazza to put in a "transfer request". There was never any such thing of course as we asked for evidence of this request before we'd talk to Stretford and none was forthcoming. But Chelsea weren't quite so cautious & put an offer on the table, which they used to batter the Glazers into submission and they reluctantly sanctioned the new contract, which was double what he'd been on previously.

That solved one problem but started another. They could pay decent money now but there were a few other players who were paid top money and they all had to have new contracts at the same rate. And everyone below that had a commensurate increase so their wage bill went up significantly. In turn, that meant they had to run just to stand still financially and had to sign up sponsors like there was no tomorrow.

I'm also convinced that Baconface's recommendation of Moyes to succeed him was his way of sticking two fingers up at the Glazers. Of course they then fell out of the top 4, lost CL money and had to spend big to try to get back there. Their buying has been knee-jerk, short-term and at least as much about making headlines and for commercial reasons than footballing ones. And the wage bill has got out of control as a result while their revenue growth has slowed down. Commercial income has been flat for three seasons and it's only the new domestic TV deal that has underpinned revenue growth. Their revenue is going to be flat for at least the next two years while the wage bill is set to rise again.

With at least £50m being skimmed straight off the top for interest and dividends every year, they' could be more stretched financially leaving them less able to compete in the market. I can see that they'll be desperate to get rid of any high earners that aren't pulling their weight, such as Pogba and Sanchez. The problem is, who'd pay them what they're getting? And st some point there'll be a big pay-off for Peg to come and the need to get yet another manager. And all that because Granny Shagger wanted a pay rise.

 

[kippaxwarrior]

Not been said for a few pages, so here goes


SCUM

 

[chesterbells]

I'll leave this here, all allegedly, of course ;)

Prior to Christmas, Pogba and Mourinho were barely on speaking terms...

The whole breakdown began when he picked up that injury which saw him miss three months.

Mourinho told Pogba he could not go to LA to do his rehab and wanted him to remain in Manchester - the player went anyway.

Jose has got form with pressuring his staff and players big time to get players on the pitch too quickly from what I hear

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Their problems started when they came up with the ruse of Rooney's transfer request in 2010. They'd been tightly managed financuially up to then with a wage structure that was well below ours and Chelsea's. They could offer trophies but none of the top players would go there as it would mean taking a pay cut. Hence why there was "no value in the market". But Baconface's ability to make a title winning team that had players of more modest ability saw them right.

To get round this problem, Gill, Ferguson and (I assume) Rooney's agent Paul Stretford came up with the wizard scheme of getting Wazza to put in a "transfer request". There was never any such thing of course as we asked for evidence of this request before we'd talk to Stretford and none was forthcoming. But Chelsea weren't quite so cautious & put an offer on the table, which they used to batter the Glazers into submission and they reluctantly sanctioned the new contract, which was double what he'd been on previously.

That solved one problem but started another. They could pay decent money now but there were a few other players who were paid top money and they all had to have new contracts at the same rate. And everyone below that had a commensurate increase so their wage bill went up significantly. In turn, that meant they had to run just to stand still financially and had to sign up sponsors like there was no tomorrow.

I'm also convinced that Baconface's recommendation of Moyes to succeed him was his way of sticking two fingers up at the Glazers. Of course they then fell out of the top 4, lost CL money and had to spend big to try to get back there. Their buying has been knee-jerk, short-term and at least as much about making headlines and for commercial reasons than footballing ones. And the wage bill has got out of control as a result while their revenue growth has slowed down. Commercial income has been flat for three seasons and it's only the new domestic TV deal that has underpinned revenue growth. Their revenue is going to be flat for at least the next two years while the wage bill is set to rise again.

With at least £50m being skimmed straight off the top for interest and dividends every year, they' could be more stretched financially leaving them less able to compete in the market. I can see that they'll be desperate to get rid of any high earners that aren't pulling their weight, such as Pogba and Sanchez. The problem is, who'd pay them what they're getting? And st some point there'll be a big pay-off for Peg to come and the need to get yet another manager. And all that because Granny Shagger wanted a pay rise.

which is why one of the 2 versions of FFP2 will be on its way.

 

[smeeagain]

I have always hated that god awful football club, and the glory hunting halfwits that seem think it makes them a bigger man because they support Man u !
I can go back longer than most here to the days when they were buying top players , Ted Mc Dougal , Ian Storey Moore ,Joe Jordan, Martin Buchan Lou Macari , Gordon Srachan etc etc all big money signings back then , outgunning most of the rest of the clubs in the transfer market . I dont feel one bit of sympathy or guilt about the current status quo , as many have said here ,never forget that banner , the utmost disrespect the game has ever seen in my eyes.
I dont believe in god ,but its as if he is paying them back , or karma at work .
Glad i got that off my chest !

 

[asaluttar]

United have had 10 managers since Busby only one of them have won the league. Everything goes to plan next few weeks the last 3 City managers will have won the league. They got lucky with one freak of nature manager who managed stacked up trophies for a decade before any real opposition arrived in the premier league.

They were expensive and shite before Fergie rocked up and now they are back to where they were in the 80s. How long will the lemmings in the Home Counties, Ireland and the Far East put up with tying their colours to the raggy mast? They can’t brag to their mates in the pub about the trophies they were winning, instead they are getting pelters and sticking by a sinking ship is not in a rags dna.

Let’s get this league wrapped up and make it as painful as possible, then come back in the summer and destroy them again. There must be some bean counters at old Trafford who are feeling pretty unnerved at what financial situation can unfold if they keep trying to compete.

Even Fergie got thrashed for years despite heavy spending.
He only succeeded because Arsenal, Liverpool and Leeds imploded at the same time. It is very significant that the clubs closest to him in 1992-93 were Villa / Norwich, then Blackburn / Newcastle

 

[Jalfraag]

Their problems started when they came up with the ruse of Rooney's transfer request in 2010. They'd been tightly managed financuially up to then with a wage structure that was well below ours and Chelsea's. They could offer trophies but none of the top players would go there as it would mean taking a pay cut. Hence why there was "no value in the market". But Baconface's ability to make a title winning team that had players of more modest ability saw them right.

To get round this problem, Gill, Ferguson and (I assume) Rooney's agent Paul Stretford came up with the wizard scheme of getting Wazza to put in a "transfer request". There was never any such thing of course as we asked for evidence of this request before we'd talk to Stretford and none was forthcoming. But Chelsea weren't quite so cautious & put an offer on the table, which they used to batter the Glazers into submission and they reluctantly sanctioned the new contract, which was double what he'd been on previously.

That solved one problem but started another. They could pay decent money now but there were a few other players who were paid top money and they all had to have new contracts at the same rate. And everyone below that had a commensurate increase so their wage bill went up significantly. In turn, that meant they had to run just to stand still financially and had to sign up sponsors like there was no tomorrow.

I'm also convinced that Baconface's recommendation of Moyes to succeed him was his way of sticking two fingers up at the Glazers. Of course they then fell out of the top 4, lost CL money and had to spend big to try to get back there. Their buying has been knee-jerk, short-term and at least as much about making headlines and for commercial reasons than footballing ones. And the wage bill has got out of control as a result while their revenue growth has slowed down. Commercial income has been flat for three seasons and it's only the new domestic TV deal that has underpinned revenue growth. Their revenue is going to be flat for at least the next two years while the wage bill is set to rise again.

With at least £50m being skimmed straight off the top for interest and dividends every year, they' could be more stretched financially leaving them less able to compete in the market. I can see that they'll be desperate to get rid of any high earners that aren't pulling their weight, such as Pogba and Sanchez. The problem is, who'd pay them what they're getting? And st some point there'll be a big pay-off for Peg to come and the need to get yet another manager. And all that because Granny Shagger wanted a pay rise.

With the new kit deal, greater prize money, lower wage costs and the lack of strip mall subsidies and interest, it can't be long until the "richest club in the world" is dethroned.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Even Fergie got thrashed for years despite heavy spending.
He only succeeded because Arsenal, Liverpool and Leeds imploded at the same time. It is very significant that the clubs closest to him in 1992-93 were Villa / Norwich, then Blackburn / Newcastle

Not to mention a one team from each nation champions league which gave them some nice extra income on top of floating on the stock exchange and the tv money from sky. It only evened up slightly when Wenger built the Arsenal team of the early 2000s and then Chelsea started spending, they had a head start on everyone else now they are falling behind a club that was in the 3rd tier of English football 20 years ago. Drink it in blues.

 

[Mancity1980]

Bang on. The Rags are back to the 80s expensive summer signings, high expectations and 2nd best on the pitch. Long may it continue. I’m really hoping they keep PEG and let him blow a fortune on 30 year olds this summer on sky high long term deals.

I would say they are further back than that...1970s Dave Sexton boring football and still 25 years off a league title challenge.