We’re bombing Syria

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The blue phantom said:
Nope, so stop with your bullshit, May is a poisonous twat and it's not just through her bombing Syria without parliaments blessing.
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She didn’t need parliaments anything.

The strikes didn’t kill any civilians.

The strikes reduced Assad’s ability to gas his own citizens.

And May’s the evil one! Fucking brilliant.

It’s people like you in the world that enable the real evil cunts. You’re the real poison, not her.
 
SWP's back said:
She didn’t need parliaments anything.

The strikes didn’t kill any civilians.

The strikes reduced Assad’s ability to gas his own citizens.

And May’s the evil one! Fucking brilliant.

It’s people like you in the world that enable the real evil cunts. You’re the real poison, not her.
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So I'm poisonous for saying May should of gone to Parliament?

Bearing in mind you've agreed with me that she should indeed ask the MP's to vote

Seems your now backtracking yourself now. Do you want me to show you the post?
 
The blue phantom said:
So I'm poisonous for saying May should of gone to Parliament?

Bearing in mind you've agreed with me that she should indeed ask the MP's to vote

Seems your now backtracking yourself now. Do you want me to show you the post?
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I said I’d have preferred her to, not that she should have. Big difference and you again fail to accept there was no constitutional necessity to do so.

You’re poisonous as you’re an enabler of people like Assad. You’ve already said you wouldn’t have wanted to precision strikes to go ahead whatever. You’re so keen to criticise the government and appear right on that you’d prefer no one did anything and Assad just carried on killing his own citizens regardless.
 
SWP's back said:
I said I’d have preferred her to, not that she should have. Big difference and you again fail to accept there was no constitutional necessity to do so.

You’re poisonous as you’re an enabler of people like Assad. You’ve already said you wouldn’t have wanted to precision strikes to go ahead whatever. You’re so keen to criticise the government and appear right on that you’d prefer no one did anything and Assad just carried on killing his own citizens regardless.
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So basically anyone who doesn't want prestrikes to go ahead are Poisonous?

I must of been a right **** for not wanting those strikes in 2003 too.
 
Latest impact reports of what the strikes achieved were being discussed on CNN.

Cutting to the chase, fuck all. No impact on Assad’s capabilities. I supposexafter you seek the green light from Putin as to where and how you can strike is just farcical.

Standing up to Russia my arse.
 
Pop in here from time to time and while posters come and go there is one who seems to be on 24/7.
Wonder if he works for white helmets!
 
Magicpole said:
That would have been a better result. Well, we didn’t make a dent but I had a wonderful time.

Well saying it was you who spotted it.

That’s tells a story too. :)
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Proofing accounts in work, puts me in a pedantic mindset :)
 
inbetween said:
Of course, I'm sure we have used chemical weapons in the past (in war, not on our own people) but that doesn't change what has happened here. If we dictated foreign policy based purely on the past then on that basis we should dissolve our military forces and just forget about it all.

Pointing out historical duplicity is fine but I don't really get the point you are trying to make given it has no relevance or point. In the end on the subject of this thread and given our involvement you can either criticize Russia/Syria or you can support them... Obviously there is our involvement via proxies but then you can equally criticize the other side who are doing the same thing... There is no right or wrong rather it just depends which side you view this from.

On this issue alone all we have done is take action to prevent someone from murdering his own citizens and I really don't think that it was a bad thing to do. If there is not a single new chemical weapons attack resulting in civilian deaths then it will of been proven to of been the right thing to do unless someone wishes that kind of thing on innocent people.

If the US uses a chemical weapon on its own people next week then I will be the first to call them out on it, I somehow doubt that it will happen (ever) though.
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The use of chemical weapons is a crime regardless of who they are used on. My point is simple: that one criminal should not pass sentence on another. That one entity with an atrocious human rights record should not level accusations of the same. The brazen hypocrisy does not sit comfortably with me.

With regards to the proxy war, the issue here is that prior to the war Syria was in the Iranian and Russian spheres of influence. It is clear to me that the Saudis and the west used the initial protests to try and drive a wedge between Syria and its allies. When this failed, they resorted to funnelling extremists into the country and their support for these groups continues to this day. It is *after* this that the Russians and the Iranians intervened with both their own forces and some proxy groups. The order of events matters.

Finally, on the point of the ends possibly justifying the means, I would like to yet again point out that the Americans have still failed to present any proof that a chemical attack took place, let alone that the Syrian government were responsible. All that the Syrians will have taken from this attack is that they need a stronger deterrence against US aggression. The message to these countries is loud and clear: unless you are able to defend yourself and impose a substantial cost upon us, you are at our mercy. You will see that they are now in the process of acquiring a far more advanced Russian air defence system.
 
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A point that needs to be made is that the British government's outrage is specific. Assad is an enemy and therefore criticised at every opportunity.
Meanwhile the Saudis continue killing with impunity in Yemen And the Israeli defence force's shooting of unarmed children barely raises an eyebrow
 
Hamann Pineapple said:
German media now suggesting chemical attacks could have been staged
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robbieh said:
A point that needs to be made is that the British government's outrage is specific. Assad is an enemy and therefore criticised at every opportunity.
Meanwhile the Saudis continue killing with impunity in Yemen And the Israeli defence force's shooting of unarmed children barely raises an eyebrow
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Thousands of kids having their limbs macheedted off and murdered in Congo too, Ethnic cleansing in Myanmar. All ignored.
 
The blue phantom said:
Thousands of kids having their limbs macheedted off and murdered in Congo too, Ethnic cleansing in Myanmar. All ignored.
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Ignored at best. We continue to sell billions in weapons to the Saudis, supporting their genocide in Yemen, the poorest country in the Middle East. The west doesn't care one bit about human rights. It is a tool with which to accuse those that stand in the way of your geopolitical ambitions and nothing more. History will look back on us with disgust.
 
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