Kylian Mbappé | Real Madrid Player (pg620)

salfordbluetrue said:
not sure how accurate that is but it does bring it into perspective, but here is spoilt brat time, Sterling was 3 years ago Jesus 2 years ago Sane 1 year ago where is this years i want him NOW
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well were trying to sign a guy called rafael leao who is extremely highly rated in portugal and we just signed claudio gomes so maybe those are this years ones.
 
doobyedoobye said:
Why did he turn us down?
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Sounds like his long term aim is play for Madrid as he supported them as a kid and tbh it doesn't get any bigger than Madrid.I can see why he backs himself to make that move eventually. In the interim, I can also see why he chose Paris over Manchester. Even though it's not a great league, it's his home city and they're an attractive club who can match our offer in terms of salary etc. I'm speculating of course, but all things considered, it makes sense.
 
Mon Autre said:
Sounds like his long term aim is play for Madrid as he supported them as a kid and tbh it doesn't get any bigger than Madrid.I can see why he backs himself to make that move eventually. In the interim, I can also see why he chose Paris over Manchester. Even though it's not a great league, it's his home city and they're an attractive club who can match our offer in terms of salary etc. I'm speculating of course, but all things considered, it makes sense.
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Why did he come out and say it?
 
Mon Autre said:
I don't think we know for sure that we're reluctant to go big if we think the player is perfect. It was Pogba and then Neymar/Mbappe that made £80m and then £150m+ the norm. I don't think we've required a marquee signing since then though (until now that is). Sounds like we did go for Mbappe but we were turned down.

The £55m fee we paid for De Bruyne three years ago, before this latest escalation of fees was
pretty huge. He hadn't proven himself at the very top yet but he was clearly deemed perfect.

People thought £49m for Sterling was insane three years ago. It dragged on a while but the club paid up in the end because they thought he was perfect.

Kyle Walker was only last summer but that kind of fee for a full back was considered an eyewatering amount by both writers and people on here but the club paid it cos he suited our needs.

I'd say they took a huge gamble on laporte too but they've done so because he's deemed perfect for our needs.

We've also done some smart business where we've acquired £70-80m players for far less e.g Sane and Bernardo. And we got our perfect goalie for £30m.

So whilst I agree, we do look for value, I think we've shown we'll take a risk where we need to. I think we're pretty smart operators in the market tbh.

With the need for someone to take over from fernandinho now here and aguero possibly next season, we'll potentially see our willingness to spend huge in the £100m+ era put to the test. The jorginho transfer was a bit weird in the end and it seems there was other stuff going on not just about money. I don't actually think there's anyone they feel is "perfect" for that role on the market right now though.

We also need to consider though that wages also come into it and there's more to that that just throwing money at things. Unless you maintain a bit of discipline there you'll throw your whole squad out of whack.
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He was:
Bundesliga Young Player if the Year 2012-13
Bundesliga Player of the Year 2014-15
Footballer of the Year in Germany for 2015

If that is not proving himself at the "top" it is pretty damn close. I'm not sure what more he could have done.

Keep in mind, he did this while not playing for the German rags or Dortmund.
 
cityzennn93:20 said:
well were trying to sign a guy called rafael leao who is extremely highly rated in portugal and we just signed claudio gomes so maybe those are this years ones.
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tried watching Gomes but had a poor stream and he was not on long enough to make a judgement i have seen Leao for a big lad he has a very good first touch which will stand him in good stead hope we get him
 
better dead than red said:
He was:
Bundesliga Young Player if the Year 2012-13
Bundesliga Player of the Year 2014-15
Footballer of the Year in Germany for 2015

If that is not proving himself at the "top" it is pretty damn close. I'm not sure what more he could have done.

Keep in mind, he did this while not playing for the German rags or Dortmund.
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I don't disagree with you and the club clearly liked what they saw too as they seemed determined to get the deal over the line. I still think people have a different perception of just how good these players are though unless they've done it at what you might call an elite club (hence me using the phrase "at the VERY top"). Similar situation to Mahrez really. He's won the premier league playing for Leicester and won player of the year but there's a sizeable number of people who believe he won't have proven himself at the very top until he does it at an elite club. Hopefully he will!
 
cityzennn93:20 said:
i said this before and i will say it again city are the club that can complain the least about not getting mbappe. 3 of the top 5 young players in the world play for us. unlike other clubs who either have one or none. give me all 3 of jesus sane and sterling any day over one mbappe. compare that to other clubs
utd : rashford been poor, martial is leaving
chelsea : none
Arsenal : none
Liverpool : none
spurs : dele alli
Barca : dembele who has struggled
Madrid : asensio
Psg : mbappe
no wonder they want him so badly most of them dont have that many young talents . compare that to what we have we really cant complain.
with mbappe or without him the future is blue :)
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Don't forget Foden, Ederson, Mendy, Stones & Laporte all young & will be around for the next 2 Euros & World Cups...
 
doobyedoobye said:
Why did he come out and say it?
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He did mate. He said "I said no to Manchester, not to Guardiola".

Unfortunately for us the really elite players we've been linked with over the years and will be in future like Messi, Mbappe, Ronaldinho etc. have a choice of which city they want to live in. As much as I love Manchester, it's not as attractive a place to live to most people as London, Barcelona, Paris or Madrid. These are bigger cities with better international connections and better weather.

We will always be in the mix for different reasons (money, Pep, facilities, style of football, premier league) but it is a relative headwind for us vs the likes of Barcelona. He'll, I'd move to Barcelona in a flash.
 
Mon Autre said:
I don't disagree with you and the club clearly liked what they saw too as they seemed determined to get the deal over the line. I still think people have a different perception of just how good these players are though unless they've done it at what you might call an elite club (hence me using the phrase "at the VERY top"). Similar situation to Mahrez really. He's won the premier league playing for Leicester and won player of the year but there's a sizeable number of people who believe he won't have proven himself at the very top until he does it at an elite club. Hopefully he will!
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I see what you are saying. I suppose I misunderstood. I took it as City's scout team unearthed this diamond in the rough, young Belgian that was merely known as a Chelsea "flop" and we knew more than the other clubs about how good he really was as a player.
 
doobyedoobye said:
Why did he come out and say it?
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I didn't allude to there being any direct quote spelling it out. Someone asked why he turned us down. I suggested some reasons and was careful to caveat that with the admission I was speculating. No need to take such a challenging tone with me. If you want direct quotes, these come pretty close to offering an explanation:

"For any young person from the Paris region, it is often a dream to wear the red and blue jersey and experience the unique atmosphere of the Parc des Princes"
“I did not say no to Guardiola, I said no to Manchester City.”

There is heaps of evidence confirming he was obsessed with Real Madrid and Ronaldo during his teenage years. I think it's a fairly safe ASSUMPTION that if you support a club and they also happen to be the biggest club in the world regularly winning/competing for the champions league, that's most likely going to be your top choice.

Unless anyone is able to speak to guy himself, i think on balance all of the info above gives a good idea of why he chose PSG over City and why Madrid is likely to be his long term aim. Putting myself in his position, it's probably the choice I would have made. By the same token, if there were a choice between City and PSG, I'm guessing Phil Foden would choose City.

Despite some reasonably compelling evidence above, some people will of course choose to ignore all of that and stick with their narrative that our board are shit at getting deals over the line, that we didn't try hard enough and that we're scared of spending money.
 
better dead than red said:
I see what you are saying. I suppose I misunderstood. I took it as City's scout team unearthed this diamond in the rough, young Belgian that was merely known as a Chelsea "flop" and we knew more than the other clubs about how good he really was as a player.
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Ah ok, I understand. I think we get each other now, but yeah my point was more that the club dared to go in with a very huge offer and went to all lengths to get him here. He'd shown himself to be a top player but we were the big club that went all out above anyone else (thus proving we will put the money up, when we think we have the right man)
 
Mon Autre said:
I didn't allude to there being any direct quote spelling it out. Someone asked why he turned us down. I suggested some reasons and was careful to caveat that with the admission I was speculating. No need to take such a challenging tone with me. If you want direct quotes, these come pretty close to offering an explanation:

"For any young person from the Paris region, it is often a dream to wear the red and blue jersey and experience the unique atmosphere of the Parc des Princes"
“I did not say no to Guardiola, I said no to Manchester City.”

There is heaps of evidence confirming he was obsessed with Real Madrid and Ronaldo during his teenage years. I think it's a fairly safe ASSUMPTION that if you support a club and they also happen to be the biggest club in the world regularly winning/competing for the champions league, that's most likely going to be your top choice.

Unless anyone is able to speak to guy himself, i think on balance all of the info above gives a good idea of why he chose PSG over City and why Madrid is likely to be his long term aim. Putting myself in his position, it's probably the choice I would have made. By the same token, if there were a choice between City and PSG, I'm guessing Phil Foden would choose City.

Despite some reasonably compelling evidence above, some people will of course choose to ignore all of that and stick with their narrative that our board are shit at getting deals over the line, that we didn't try hard enough and that we're scared of spending money.
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Challenging tone? I was just wondering wondering what the context was. I can understand why he would turn us down but not why he go public with it.
 
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