Oleksandr Zinchenko | Joins Arsenal for £30m

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Henkeman said:
He's 21 not 31. No idea if he'll end up good enough or not, but writing him off at such a young age is the kind of thing Mourinho did with KDB. You'd have thought people would learn not to do that.
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For every 1 case of KDB you quote there are dozens of examples where that didn’t happen. All I’m saying is that, in my opinion, he hasn’t got what it takes for our first team - and judging by what I’m reading elsewhere today about the club telling him he won’t play this year, then they possibly have that view too...
 
shak said:
Bony and Mangala both displayed an admiral attitude, as did Joe. Unfortunately it takes more than attitude to be succesful in the game. He only managed 14 games last season and with our squad arguably stronger this season, particularly in the area he featured for us it will be unlikely he gets more game time this time out.

It is great he wants to stay and fight but I think most are just being realistic in recognising that it is almost certainly going to be a losing battle.
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Yep, agree wholeheartedly
 
chesterbells said:
For every 1 case of KDB you quote there are dozens of examples where that didn’t happen. All I’m saying is that, in my opinion, he hasn’t got what it takes for our first team - and judging by what I’m reading elsewhere today about the club telling him he won’t play this year, then they possibly have that view too...
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Never said he was going to make it. I just take issue with the idea that wanting to stay is somehow indicative of a lack of ambition, any more than wanting to leave is a lack of ambition. It's a ludicrous judgement to take, and can be randomly applied whatever he chooses.
 
He's a 21 year old kid, who two years ago had never played outside of Ukraine and one year ago his only additional experience was an underpar year in the Netherlands at PSV where he was relegated to the reserves.

Then this past year, despite all that, he shows the character and the ability to somehow convince the manager with arguably the highest bar for his players in world football to include him in an unorthodox position in a team looking to compete at the absolute highest levels in world club football.

Whilst I admittedly rate him higher than some, I think due to the limited nature of his appearances in a clearly unfamiliar position have absolutely opened the floor to a fair debate about his ability. All things considered I thought £16m was fair considering his lack of a true portfolio of performances.

But the crucial thing with Zinchenko (if he stays), much like Delph, is that he has a value to the squad beyond his footballing side. As Pep would say, he has personality. Personality to fight, be humble, work hard, be competitive, and win. Having an ultra determined youngster like Oleks nipping at your heels constantly will keep many of our more senior players at their sharpest. Also, look at the improvements he's made as a footballer this past year.

I don't think it's a lack of ambition either if he stays. You have to think that in his mind, this might be his last chance to play for a top club. It might not of course, but maybe that's not something you can take for granted. And at his age, maybe he thinks he might as well stay and fight and give it everything to possibly part of something special. That way if he doesn't quite make it he goes out more on his own terms. And if he does..
 
He doesn't want to be apart from Bernardo. Don't mind him staying really as I think he might still be needed.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I wonder what melt down this forum would have gone into if we had signed a 20 year old Spaniard who had just finished a loan spell at Spanish second division team Eibar? That is exactly what we would have been doing had we signed one David Silva in 2006.
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The club have willingly tried to offload him two summers running now. That's indicative enough for me.
 
Delighted he's staying given that there's no one better coming in.

I'd imagine that the decision will be looked at again in the January window. Until then who knows what'll happen withing the squad.

Regarding not getting a game if all the players play to their potential there will be plenty of others struggling to make the team, for example could a combination of Bernardo, KDB and Silva keep Sane out or a combination of Stone, Laporte and Kompany keep Otamendi out or a combination of Mahrez, Sterling and Jesus keep Aguero out.

I know Zinchecko is at the lower end of the squad but you never know how things will work out for him (and Foden and others).
 
Henkeman said:
Never said he was going to make it. I just take issue with the idea that wanting to stay is somehow indicative of a lack of ambition, any more than wanting to leave is a lack of ambition. It's a ludicrous judgement to take, and can be randomly applied whatever he chooses.
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You call it ludicrous, but do you agree lack of ambition and lack of realism are two sides of the same coin? I do, and I think the boundary between the two is a judgement call, nothing ludicrous about it, simply that you make one judgment, I make the other.
 
We have finally come back to the general state in which good, young players are battling to STAY at our club, even in the face of potentially limited playing time, because they want to *possibly* contribute to our success and improve under the guidance of one of the best managers in world football...

And people are moaning that he lacks ambition, needs to have a word with himself, should have done the club a favour and accepted the transfer, and is holding a foreign spot that should go to a better (as yet unidentified) player that we can apparently sign in the next few hours that remain of the transfer window.

I despair.
 
Tevez City said:
If Pep & the club really wanted him they would just reject the bid.

16m for player who is 3rd choice LB was a good deal & thats why the club accepted the bid.


Anyway, lets hope his value will go up this season.
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I agree with you on that but that isn't what you posted earlier. You said that if the club accepts a bid he should go. That is clearly ridiculous. The player has to have some input on where and when he goes as well. We can't just foist him on another club against his wishes.
 
There are two kinds of transfers. In the first the Club want to keep the player but the player himself is unhappy and wants to leave or the buying Club makes an offer that can’t be refused. In the second, the Club are prepared to let the player go. It looks like City were prepared to let Zinchenko go which would lead you to believe that he is viewed as expendable or surplus to requirements. If that’s the case you can’t see him getting a lot of game time this season.

Obviously, we don’t know why he turned Wolves down. He may believe he can fight his way into reckoning with us. It might be that he simply doesn’t fancy Wolves and would rather stay until another Club he likes better comes along.
 
£16mil is fair game, but if he wants to stay then happy days he has real ability & possesses the versatility Pep loves

We dont need the money, and his performance at Liverpool suggest he has the technical ability to make an impact on this team.
 
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