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Religion
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01cravend
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A buffet for bacteria and insects or ashes that's the afterlife. Humans just cling to religion as an answer to the thought that we are special, we're not. Same thing happens to us as to that fly you swatted, you just die and fade to nothingness. You'll be a memory for a while that over time will dissipate like a fart in the wind. Then all that's left of our inconsequential exsistence is as a statistic stored on a computer somewhere.
Yes - there comes a time when one can choose to be honest about ignorance so as to open to something beyond this. And from how you have written, for me, this suggests that there are folk that are far more open to wisdom than you are. And me - but that is part of the journey...to find choices for ignorance and let go of them. Or if you want to use the word closed then feel feel to do so instead. Actually another way of looking at this might be to say that it can be a way of finding, and letting go of, resistance to the deepest intimacy of Life, Love and Self. I accept that there are times when I experience states of being that reflect a decision for closedness/ignorance - no big deal. But you seem closed to the notion that you can only really know this when you choose to go through this yourself. Til then it can only ever be a theory that someone else speaks of that you might decide sounds nice or not.
all of the above is very nice, but correct me if i'm wrong, you are intimating emotions/feelings are somehow a product of the supernatural.
please define the wisdom/ignorance you are talking about.
i am as open as anyone to anything that is beyond this realm and as they say "show me the money" and thus far you haven't give me a dime
I despise it in all its forms.
Never been Christened, my folks allowed their children to form their own take as we got older.
I'm a City fan because of my dad, he guaranteed it from as soon as I could walk and defend their name with a zeal just as forceful as any religion.
Just as the religious crowd make damn sure to indoctrinate kids from cradle to grave.
No difference between the two.
I always find it amazing how there are literally scores of Gods and religions all over our planet, but yeah, yours is the right one...
at least indoctrination into city is something that is real
tolmie's hairdoo
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at least indoctrination into city is something that is real
And they also get you through the bad times!
Live. Love. Die.
tolmie's hairdoo
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A buffet for bacteria and insects or ashes that's the afterlife. Humans just cling to religion as an answer to the thought that we are special, we're not. Same thing happens to us as to that fly you swatted, you just die and fade to nothingness. You'll be a memory for a while that over time will dissipate like a fart in the wind. Then all that's left of our inconsequential exsistence is as a statistic stored on a computer somewhere.
I don't even think it's that, that humans want to feel special by following a religion?
They just can't comprehend that they won't see their loved ones EVER again, nobody rests in peace, that it is just over.
It's the perfect blackmail, follow God and you get eternal life. We have stuff found in the pyramids with a better provenance than all the great religions, dating much further back.
The only artifacts of religion are books written by those who wished to control and rule, what the fuck was Jesus doing for the first 32 years of his life?
Even old King Henry decided it was worth a rewrite so he could get his own version and get his own way.
As for Americans and religion, don't get me started. We have parks older than that place.
The word education is related to the word 'educo' - along the lines 'to draw out/to bring form within.' These days it seems that most education is aboutall of the above is very nice, but correct me if i'm wrong, you are intimating emotions/feelings are somehow a product of the supernatural.
please define the wisdom/ignorance you are talking about.
i am as open as anyone to anything that is beyond this realm and as they say "show me the money" and thus far you haven't give me a dime
being closed to what it within and placing lots of ideas/theory/conditioning on top os this. From that one might develop a culture which speaks of what counts as
strong/good/right/loving/intelligent/true/worthy etc This culture then finds ways of policing these values. This feels like the sphere you want to keep the debate in.
What I am speaking of doesn't much work like that. Sure, some might speak of this or give instruction about that but the point is you have to decide if this is what you want - it has to come from inside you. That is ,if you like, what I am asking - do you want to open to that which is inside, to be moved by a truth inside you, more than the conditioning of your culture that might be called 'your world?' If you don't, then great - I would appreciate your candour in this way but what it would also mean is that we would effectively have
directly opposing goals, along with their differing ways. And that would just seem to keep us in conflict, with a conversation that doesn't best serve your time or mine but might clock up some 'ego points' along the way.
a cultured reaction no doubt.Not to put too finer point on it mate, that is absolute Bollocks.
The word education is related to the word 'educo' - along the lines 'to draw out/to bring form within.' These days it seems that most education is about
being closed to what it within and placing lots of ideas/theory/conditioning on top os this. From that one might develop a culture which speaks of what counts as
strong/good/right/loving/intelligent/true/worthy etc This culture then finds ways of policing these values. This feels like the sphere you want to keep the debate in.
What I am speaking of doesn't much work like that. Sure, some might speak of this or give instruction about that but the point is you have to decide if this is what you want - it has to come from inside you. That is ,if you like, what I am asking - do you want to open to that which is inside, to be moved by a truth inside you, more than the conditioning of your culture that might be called 'your world?' If you don't, then great - I would appreciate your candour in this way but what it would also mean is that we would effectively have
directly opposing goals, along with their differing ways. And that would just seem to keep us in conflict, with a conversation that doesn't best serve your time or mine but might clock up some 'ego points' along the way.
again all well and good but none of this is demonstrable of being in any way shape or form from anything that maybe considered supenatural
i have asked you repeatedly for how/why etc and i'm sure you'll reply with something similar to the above and yes we will go around in circles
yep
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Nurses are fine but can do nothing for your cop out when I asked you to prove that your love for your partner exists.nurse!!
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The word education is related to the word 'educo' - along the lines 'to draw out/to bring form within.' These days it seems that most education is about
being closed to what it within and placing lots of ideas/theory/conditioning on top os this. From that one might develop a culture which speaks of what counts as
strong/good/right/loving/intelligent/true/worthy etc This culture then finds ways of policing these values. This feels like the sphere you want to keep the debate in.
What I am speaking of doesn't much work like that. Sure, some might speak of this or give instruction about that but the point is you have to decide if this is what you want - it has to come from inside you. That is ,if you like, what I am asking - do you want to open to that which is inside, to be moved by a truth inside you, more than the conditioning of your culture that might be called 'your world?' If you don't, then great - I would appreciate your candour in this way but what it would also mean is that we would effectively have
directly opposing goals, along with their differing ways. And that would just seem to keep us in conflict, with a conversation that doesn't best serve your time or mine but might clock up some 'ego points' along the way.
Our language, any human language is too limited to describe what you mean, or feel.
We fail to describe colours or feelings.
That's why science has been developed as a global language.
You have to proof your thesis by presenting the methods you have used to get the results that you discuss.
By doing so, many human brains have found out quite a lot about the universe and - weirdly enough - about the own brain while thinking about itself.
If you only knew about those results. You could find your happiness about the wonder of life which up to now seems to be unique or at least very very rare, and limited to a special constellation within a solar system. And definitely determined by the life cycle of our life giving sun.
Where is City going to play home matches when earth is just some scattered dust out in space?
And what about the season ticket?
Wonderful. It seems on this thread I am the devil incarnate for suggesting that there is an unconditional love within each being that has written - whether they like it or are aware of it or not. By unconditional love I mean more a Love that is 'before' the conditioning (beliefs/theories/cultural identity etc) of the mind - rather than a mind that is unaware of this and then tries to love 'unconditionally'...according to what its conditioning says is love. That might not be so much fun. So a mind that allows itself to be a 'servant' of this Love and thus allows its thoughts to come more into alignment, letting go of false ideals...perhaps little by little... moment by moment. That might describe what I have experienced along with a few battles and tantrums along the way. And the funny thing is, we might sit here creating the conditions of intellectual war between us yet this love - being 'before' these conditions - will not be at all affected just perhaps unknown for a little while longer, gently waiting for an invitation...Our language, any human language is too limited to describe what you mean, or feel.
We fail to describe colours or feelings.
That's why science has been developed as a global language.
You have to proof your thesis by presenting the methods you have used to get the results that you discuss.
By doing so, many human brains have found out quite a lot about the universe and - weirdly enough - about the own brain while thinking about itself.
If you only knew about those results. You could find your happiness about the wonder of life which up to now seems to be unique or at least very very rare, and limited to a special constellation within a solar system. And definitely determined by the life cycle of our life giving sun.
Where is City going to play home matches when earth is just some scattered dust out in space?
And what about the season ticket?
Nurses are fine but can do nothing for your cop out when I asked you to prove that your love for your partner exists.
oh a direct question was it not a rhetorical one oh ok
i can't prove it you just have to take my word or if you see us together you may think they love each other or not as the case may be
but what has that got to do with this topic
Wonderful. It seems on this thread I am the devil incarnate for suggesting that there is an unconditional love within each being that has written - whether they like it or are aware of it or not. By unconditional love I mean more a Love that is 'before' the conditioning (beliefs/theories/cultural identity etc) of the mind - rather than a mind that is unaware of this and then tries to love 'unconditionally'...according to what its conditioning says is love. That might not be so much fun. So a mind that allows itself to be a 'servant' of this Love and thus allows its thoughts to come more into alignment, letting go of false ideals...perhaps little by little... moment by moment. That might describe what I have experienced along with a few battles and tantrums along the way. And the funny thing is, we might sit here creating the conditions of intellectual war between us yet this love - being 'before' these conditions - will not be at all affected just perhaps unknown for a little while longer, gently waiting for an invitation...
let me get this right, before the conditioning - before you are born is that what you mean? actually i'll go a bit further before conception?
also explain to me what are the false ideals?
BlueMoonRisin’
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You keep digging away but offer none of your beliefs in return. If I was @arfurclue I'd have fucked you off several pages back.let me get this right, before the conditioning - before you are born is that what you mean? actually i'll go a bit further before conception?
also explain to me what are the false ideals?
You keep digging away but offer none of your beliefs in return. If I was @arfurclue I'd have fucked you off several pages back.
why are my beliefs relevant?
@arfurclue made a claim and i'm asking simple questions for him to answer, if that upsets you tough shit
BlueMoonRisin’
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You said several pages back you would give him your POV, you haven't, you just keep digging trying to make him look ridiculous. Hodge stopped posting because of cunts like you.why are my beliefs relevant?
i haven't made a claim and i'm asking simple questions for him to answer, if that upsets you tough shit
yep
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A loving relationship is like a religious relationship-"I can't prove it you just have to take my word."oh a direct question was it not a rhetorical one oh ok
i can't prove it you just have to take my word or if you see us together you may think they love each other or not as the case may be
but what has that got to do with this topic
You said several pages back you would give him your POV, you haven't, you just keep digging trying to make him look ridiculous. Hodge stopped posting because of cunts like you.
my point of view is well established if you bother to look hard enough
what is your problem with me asking to substantiate what is a quite an extraordinary claim
and by the way i am not trying to make him look ridiculous