Religion

Not a bad thing at all. There’s a marked intolerance to religion on this thread. It is slightly tangential but you touched on it with your comments about inner peace or calm. I’d lean towards Buddhism in my understanding of the causes of suffering and the way etc but I’ve no problem with whatever brings someone comfort if in gaining that they don’t negatively impact others
The inner peace thing, for me, can be in contrast to a tension/intensity that can come in different forms such as stress or depression, even boredom - to that which feel likes like being torn apart and/or in a state of suffering. If people have experienced having religion forced upon them in a way that increases tension/ conflict, then I would find it understandable if there was then a reaction. Just might differ as to whether this generalisable for all religion/spirituality.
I’m not sure that I could say I have one religion to speak of - just some bits speak to me from different paths, in different moments and feel like they enrich life that way. Perhaps I could say that I can come to relate to life in a way of attachment or trying to be detached or with a sense of connection. The latter is like with listening to a piece of music and there is that connection where it somehow sounds deeper, richer and more moving. Then with that connection I might enjoy going for a walk or sharing a conversation or having a coffee or reading a ‘spiritual’ text etc in this way attachment/detachment become less attractive options and can naturally fall away.
 
Must admit I haven't but history shows us that religious leaders of all faiths have commanded their followers to engage in war. The Catholics did it for centuries as did the Muslims, Burma (Myanmar) is still doing it. An individual may seek peace, whether the leader will allow it is a different matter. They want power and conquest brings that.
If you were to say that humans that are addicted to having power over others can do crazy shit - and religion can be one way in which people seek, and justify that power- then I’d find it hard to disagree. But what if that addiction is different from coming to feel genuinely empowered in a way that doesn’t oppress, is that worth exploring? And religion/spirituality may or may not be part of that process - whatever floats your boat.
 
Not a bad thing at all. There’s a marked intolerance to religion on this thread. It is slightly tangential but you touched on it with your comments about inner peace or calm. I’d lean towards Buddhism in my understanding of the causes of suffering and the way etc but I’ve no problem with whatever brings someone comfort if in gaining that they don’t negatively impact others

there is but i would like to quantify(as i'd be one on this thread and others) my stance
i have and never have had a problem with anyone believing in whatever religion or spirituality you like
but do have when its claimed to be true, that's where the intolerance lies
 
Brian Cox tells us what religion is all about in the first episode of his most recent series Universe, “God Star” (he’s also done other episodes in some of his earlier series: “Empire Of The Sun” and “Messengers” with the same theme).

All religion is, is the deifying and personifying of our star, the Sun. That big ball of hydrogen and helium is all it’s all about. Everything else around it is just pure fantasy or more accurately, mythology… it’s all just bloody made up.

We will have been making stories up about it and deifying it since the Cognitive Revolution from around 35,000 to as long ago as 70,000 years ago.

Today’s religions are just a fraction old on the timeline of human evolution and the history of human religion. Most of today’s religions are younger in the history of homosapiens than the Olympics. You could almost say they’re insignificant, especially with what we know these days with modern Science and understanding of Cosmology.
 
Brian Cox tells us what religion is all about in the first episode of his most recent series Universe, “God Star” (he’s also done other episodes in some of his earlier series: “Empire Of The Sun” and “Messengers” with the same theme).

All religion is, is the deifying and personifying of our star, the Sun. That big ball of hydrogen and helium is all it’s all about. Everything else around it is just pure fantasy or more accurately, mythology… it’s all just bloody made up.

We will have been making stories up about it and deifying it since the Cognitive Revolution from around 35,000 to as long ago as 70,000 years ago.

Today’s religions are just a fraction old on the timeline of human evolution and the history of human religion. Most of today’s religions are younger in the history of homosapiens than the Olympics. You could almost say they’re insignificant, especially with what we know these days with modern Science and understanding of Cosmology.
“Ego dissolution is an ecstatic state, characterized by the loss of boundaries between the subject and the objective world, with ensuing feelings of unity with other people, nature, the entire Universe, and God.”
Stanislavsky Grof quoted in article entitled “Why we strive for ego death with Psychedlics”
Which might beg the question as to whether there is a reality beyond what is seen through the eyes of ego’s truth.
 
“Ego dissolution is an ecstatic state, characterized by the loss of boundaries between the subject and the objective world, with ensuing feelings of unity with other people, nature, the entire Universe, and God.”
Stanislavsky Grof quoted in article entitled “Why we strive for ego death with Psychedlics”
Which might beg the question as to whether there is a reality beyond what is seen through the eyes of ego’s truth.
evidence evidence evidence art lad
 
I’d actually suggest that’s one of his easier to read posts. Still gibberish, but easier nonetheless.
Take it you didn’t get round to reading this on the Royal College of Psychiatrist webpage?

it starts with this

“What is spirituality? A personal exploration Dr Maya Spencer

Spirituality involves the recognition of a feeling or sense or belief that there is something greater than myself, something more to being human than sensory experience, and that the greater whole of which we are part is cosmic or divine in nature.
Spirituality means knowing that our lives have significance in a context beyond a mundane everyday existence at the level of biological needs that drive selfishness and aggression. It means knowing that we are a significant part of a purposeful unfolding of Life in our universe.
Spirituality involves exploring certain universal themes – love, compassion, altruism, life after death, wisdom and truth, with the knowledge that some people such as saints or enlightened individuals have achieved and manifested higher levels of development than the ordinary person. Aspiring to manifest the attributes of such inspirational examples often becomes an important part of the journey through life for spiritually inclined people.”

So agree with spirituality and/or religion or not - fair play. But if you want to start talking about delusion and gibberish, I might just refer to someone else for informed insight.
 
there is but i would like to quantify(as i'd be one on this thread and others) my stance
i have and never have had a problem with anyone believing in whatever religion or spirituality you like
but do have when its claimed to be true, that's where the intolerance lies
Pretty much my stance too. 'Believe what you like but don't tell me I'm the one who's wrong when I point out the glaring inconsistencies of what you claim to be an ultimate truth'.
 

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