Helicopter crash involving Leicester City owners

Neville Kneville said:
Well I meant on the ground, but true.

Swanning around stadia in helicopters should be stopped after this, imo.
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I know what you mean, but really helicopters are used all the time, all over the place and you can't let one very visible tragedy change the reality of how they are used. If there is genuine evidence that they are a huge danger to people, then that's one thing, but I don't think there is. Air ambulances are flying around all the time and no one is worried about them crashing out of the sky and killing people.

Tbh, the people most in danger in a helicopter are the people who chose to ride in it. Compared to cars and the like, I really don't think helicopters are a significant hazard for the general public.
I think realistically they need to find the reason why this happened before they can consider what is the appropriate action to take.​
 
Indaparkside said:
I know it’s off topic a bit, but when your go over Barton bridge them light aircrafts are that close You can see the pilots scratching their bollocks,always thought that was a disaster waiting to happen. When they take off from Barton airfield.
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There is more space though.

The first time I ever saw that guy taking off from the pitch, I thought it was irresponsible & didn't understand why it was allowed.

There must surely be so many extra factors can come into play in that situation, depending on wind etc & proximity to the roof etc, before we even get started on what happens if there is a mechanical fault.
 
BigOscar said:
I know what you mean, but really helicopters are used all the time, all over the place and you can't let one very visible tragedy change the reality of how they are used. If there is genuine evidence that they are a huge danger to people, then that's one thing, but I don't think there is. Air ambulances are flying around all the time and no one is worried about them crashing out of the sky and killing people.

Tbh, the people most in danger in a helicopter are the people who chose to ride in it. Compared to cars and the like, I really don't think helicopters are a significant hazard for the general public.
I think realistically they need to find the reason why this happened before they can consider what is the appropriate action to take.​
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Emergencies are a different case though.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Emergencies are a different case though.
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True, but you can't ban all commercial helicopters though, it's just not feasible nor do I think there is evidence to back it up. I don't really see much difference between taking off/landing from a football pitch than taking off/landing on a building or an oil rig. (if anything you'd imagine it's easier considering the much larger are to land and being less exposed to the wind) If you only banned them taking off from the pitch, then they'd just take off from the car park, or somewhere else very close by.

Like I said, if there is evidence that it's a genuine danger, then fair enough, but I don't think you can based on one isolated tragedy.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Well I meant on the ground, but true.

Swanning around stadia in helicopters should be stopped after this, imo.
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On the grounds of what?

Lets us see what caused the accident first. The fact this aircraft took off from a stadium will have little relevance to the accident in all probability. Unless the helicopter hit anything and the resulting damage brought it down.
 
BigOscar said:
True, but you can't ban all commercial helicopters though, it's just not feasible nor do I think there is evidence to back it up. I don't really see much difference between taking off/landing from a football pitch than taking off/landing on a building or an oil rig. (if anything you'd imagine it's easier considering the much larger are to land and being less exposed to the wind) If you only banned them taking off from the pitch, then they'd just take off from the car park, or somewhere else very close by.

Like I said, if there is evidence that it's a genuine danger, then fair enough, but I don't think you can based on one isolated tragedy.
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Well you have to rise up past the edge of several roofs, where you will suddenly encounter an unknown wind element, also temperature changes from the crowd leaving, causes atmospheric changes & there is the danger of taking out a load of people if you get it wrong.

Helicopters usually land in open spaces. Where that isn't possible, sometimes, they crash.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Well you have to rise up past the edge of several roofs, where you will suddenly encounter an unknown wind element, also temperature changes from the crowd leaving, causes atmospheric changes & there is the danger of taking out a load of people if you get it wrong.

Helicopters usually land in open spaces. Where that isn't possible, sometimes, they crash.
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I'll admit, I don't know enough about helicopters to be certain on anything, but I know helicopters freely land on helipads, which are tiny in comparison to football pitches. There is also nothing I can see to suggest this tragedy had anything to do with the helicopter taking off from a football pitch, if it turns out it was a factor, then maybe that changes things.

As for the danger to others part, yes I can see that point, but again, I don't see it as being any more dangerous than landing on an oil rig or a skyscraper in a busy city in terms of potential to go terribly wrong. Like I said, we need to know the reason for the crash before any real conclusions can be made
 
i dont think the fact the helicopter took off from the stadium has any bearing whatsoever, they are a safe vehicle like a plane which lands next to an airport with thousands in the terminal,from whet i hear the helicopter had rear rotor problems which would explain the spinning reports from eye witnesses
 
Neville Kneville said:
Helicopters usually land in open spaces.
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That's just not correct, they're designed to take-off and land in confined areas. A football pitch is a generous size for an average-sized copter to use, the minimum recommended area for a take-off/landing is a square whose length is 1.5 times the largest dimension of the copter. For an average copter this works out at round 5,000 sq ft., a football pitch is over 60,000 sq ft. and even if you factor in keeping a safe distance from the superstructure there's more than enough available space.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Well you have to rise up past the edge of several roofs, where you will suddenly encounter an unknown wind element, also temperature changes from the crowd leaving, causes atmospheric changes & there is the danger of taking out a load of people if you get it wrong.

Helicopters usually land in open spaces. Where that isn't possible, sometimes, they crash.
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There will be CAA rules on what you can and can't do landing a helicopter, and so long as they were respected by Leicester City, then they'll have permission, helicopters are designed to operate in tight locations, and this doesn't look particularly tight for that helicopter.

As for taking off when crowds are leaving a stadium, it probably carries extra danger, but the crash occurred over 90 minutes after the game finished, and I would have thought the majority of the crowd were well on their way home by the time it happened.

The most likely reason for the crash is a technical issue, and they eye witness reports suggest that the tail rotor had an issue, but the accident investigation will find that out in due course.
 
spanishblue said:
Don't want to go down this road Jim but to me it's a bit tacky any LCFC fans looking in (and there are ) would find some of the arguing a bit disrespectful
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I would hope that any Leicester fans visiting here would realise that the posts that you may be referring to are probably not representative of most folk on here.
 
There are one or two suggestions surfacing that there may have been drones in the vicinity, possibly owned by plod.

The nature of how this aircraft seems to have crashed would perhaps fit into what could happen in the event of something hitting and damaging the tail.
 
This is awful,imagine if it was our owner and/or the others like Khaldoon
I've always been unsure about helicopters but i suppose these accidents a few in the grand scheme of things
 
It shows how fragile life is.
When we board planes helicopters trains or whatever, no matter which way you look at it we put our lives in the hands of other people handling a machine.
Make the most of each and every day.
 
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