UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[mayo31]

But would you want half the team banned and going to united so they could win the league ala Billy Meredith.

Yes of course I would. Why not.......

 

[mac]

But would you want half the team banned and going to united so they could win the league ala Billy Meredith.

why would the rags want our players anyhow. It’s common knowledge that their team is better than ours.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Generally no, Switzerland hold to the same legal principle as other European countries in that legality cannot be enforced through illegality. CAS are a Swiss court. There are exceptions made but there's no reason that any should be made here that I'm aware of.

So is the thinking that if City escalate this legally to CAS, CAS would rule on the inability of UEFA to "enforce" its own "rules", even as as a closed organization?

 

[Marvin]

I can't wait for Saturday and the game. That is the only way to respond. CTID.

 

[nmc]

Just caught the tail end of an article on SSN saying that Chelsea will still have the transfer ban applied whilst they are in the process of appealing it. Looks like they have changed the rules again.

So with FIFA you are guilty until proven innocent. If Chelsea miss a transfer window and then get cleared there will be a compensation claim for damages I suspect !

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Just caught the tail end of an article on SSN saying that Chelsea will still have the transfer ban applied whilst they are in the process of appealing it. Looks like they have changed the rules again.

Unfortunately this particular appeal falls at the first hurdle, in that they’re not from Spain!

 

[Mon Autre]

So with FIFA you are guilty until proven innocent. If Chelsea miss a transfer window and then get cleared there will be a compensation claim for damages I suspect !

They've already been found guilty and the appeal is just an attempt to get the benefit of another transfer window in before the punishment kicks in. Allowing them to do that and lessen the effect of the punishment would also be unfair.

 

[aguero93:20]

So is the thinking that if City escalate this legally to CAS, CAS would rule on the inability of UEFA to "enforce" its own "rules", even as as a closed organization?

Yeah, sort of, UEFA are bound by Swiss and EU law in that regard, closed organisation or no, so once it went to CAS, they'd essentially have to make a case that justified any sanction (in line with precedent and consistent with their own rules at the time of any alleged offence*) without using any illegally obtained evidence unless CAS admitted it, which would be completely out of character for the court**, so I can't see UEFA wanting it to escalate.

*This is why I thought we should have appealed the original sanction in 2014 to CAS, being solely an arbitrary court across different sports they don't work from a single set of laws with primacy, but they do hold all organisations to their own laws and standards incredibly strictly. If UEFA had moved the goalposts or bent their own rules to punish us CAS would have looked poorly upon it.
**considering they've previously had a lengthy debate about whether match reports were admissible in an unpaid bonuses case, they are quite strict in that regard.

 

[The blue phantom]

Neither am I, but it's amazing how much hysteria just writing Trump can cause these days!!

A bit like writing City on Rawk!

Folk just don't like Racist mate, and Cvnts either :)

 

[petrusha]

This suggests that CAS is sometimes prepared to admit illegally obtained evidence: http://www.cisarbitration.com/2018/...idence-in-the-court-of-arbitration-for-sport/

 

[aguero93:20]

This suggests that CAS is sometimes prepared to admit illegally obtained evidence: http://www.cisarbitration.com/2018/...idence-in-the-court-of-arbitration-for-sport/

Big difference between allowing in evidence from entrapment, testimony and files from a doctor involved in state sponsored doping (where CAS threw out the ban anyway), evidence from Spanish criminal proceedings and then hacked emails that may or may not have been altered I would have thought?

 

[OmgOgs]

This suggests that CAS is sometimes prepared to admit illegally obtained evidence: http://www.cisarbitration.com/2018/...idence-in-the-court-of-arbitration-for-sport/

Yes but I wouldn't worry too much as it's seen in a slightly different light than legitimate evidence.
You should be okay. Slap on the wrist and it will all blow over I'm guessing.

 

[petrusha]

Big difference between allowing in evidence from entrapment, testimony and files from a doctor involved in state sponsored doping (where CAS threw out the ban anyway), evidence from Spanish criminal proceedings and then hacked emails that may or may not have been altered I would have thought?

Yes, there is. I'd agree that our lawyers in any hypothetical CIS case would fancy their chances of having hacked emails excluded, but they might have to argue the point. I just wanted to say that it's too simplistic to argue that if evidence is illegal, CIS will never entertain it (I know you didn't say that but some people have).

 

[Jazzman]

I just hope we have enough material to take everyone down with us, should they go for it. Enough is enough.

 

[vmsuhail]

Bollocks. It’s as confident and robust as one could get.

Lol, it’s a general statement and hasn’t touched on the specifics of any of the issues raised. I’m not confident we are all clear because the club put up a statement like that.

 

[Rolee]

Lol, it’s a general statement and hasn’t touched on the specifics of any of the issues raised. I’m not confident we are all clear because the club put up a statement like that.

What kind of statement would make you confident?

I thought it was unequivocal and got the feeling they're ready for a fight.

 

[gh_mcfc]

I read something the other day - cant remember where - that the UAE have one of the most advanced cyber units in the world (pity we didnt see some advice). I suspect hacking UEFA would be a piece of proverbial. I would be surprised if we didn't know exactly who is behind what at UEFA. We don't need to show our hand yet but I think we may be well placed should we need to. I really hope we have a gun loaded and aimed ready. I would love to see what certain clubs do in the caymen to start with

The problem we have is no matter how we react we will be the bad guys in the media. The media mafia will not want to highlight the cartel and the media quite clearly control the agenda. No matter what happens we are guilty and always will be. So feck em.

If this isn't a prearranged city/uefa move I also hope at some point down the line some folks may finally get their cumuppance. From what I have read in the past HRH SM really doesn't like being disrespected or losing. I recall a quote from some on here once re our first PL title run in that we had "park the tanks on Gills lawn" to ensure fair play. Maybe after this shit storm we will do some pre-emptive surgical strikes to end this nonsense once and for all. I certainly hope so

 

[kaz7]

I got to agree with Pep here. Why should anyone think City's reputation is damaged just because of some stolen emails.
Makes no sense whatsoever.
This whole Der Spiegel leaks thing smacks of an agenda.
I seriously think Liverpool fc and Arsenal are behind it.

And you,jog on

 

[Deleted member 77198]

But would you want half the team banned and going to united so they could win the league ala Billy Meredith.

It was that **** who grassed the rest of them up to save his own bacon

 

[vmsuhail]

What kind of statement would make you confident?

I thought it was unequivocal and got the feeling they're ready for a fight.

That which responds directly point by point to all the allegations raised. Is it difficult to brief the press and answer the questions if no rules have been breached?