“City Matters” fan committee

squirtyflower said:
Even so, at Bournemouth I got to the ground at 2:15pm and got in at 2:45pm due to the extensive searches by two men. Imagine having to add in a ticket collection as well?
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Couldn't the ID check be done at the same time? While you are waiting in the queue, somebody does an ID check of every 10th/20th person? That way it wouldn't eat into any of your free time and wouldn't mean you having to go out of your way to get your iD checked.
 
Reading through this and as someone with just over 13,400 points, I'm probably going to have a bit of bias, but I really cannot understand the way people are losing their heads over the ID thing. I've earned my points, I accept that I won't get tickets to every away game, but that's fine because quite frankly I couldn't afford to even if I did have the points. When you go to away games, it's always good to see some of the same faces, particularly when you're trying to work out which pub to go to (and which one to avoid, as there are some fools that can't handle themselves sensibly on away days).

If you've got the points and are going to use your ticket for yourself, what do you have to worry about?

If you qualify and buy the ticket, it's yours, so having your ID checked ensures that you're not being pushed out of the way by people that don't. It's a fair measure. I get that it can be frustrating if you've got to queue up for a while to have it check or make an excursion to pick up the ticket rather than going straight from the pub to the turnstile, but FFS "it's giving up my free time". Grow up.

How else do you want them to do manage the situation?
 
blueparrot said:
Fair point I dont go to games away, and when I have got tickets have probably benefited from the cumrrent system So maybe I should stay out of that debate, so I will.
Just seems this is the overiding debate and think its overshadowing all the other things that are being discussed, or I presume are being discussed.To be fair PB seems as far as I can see to be the only one reporting back from the meetings, I’d like to know what else is being talked about as well as whether a couple of hundred should show id or not. Even if it only the price of a pie.
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I represent the disabled supporters and report back anything relevant through my involvement in the disabled supporters association www.mcdsa.co.uk direct to our members.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
Couldn't the ID check be done at the same time? While you are waiting in the queue, somebody does an ID check of every 10th/20th person? That way it wouldn't eat into any of your free time and wouldn't mean you having to go out of your way to get your iD checked.
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That’s what the do at gigs. Concerts not Ryan!
 
manc_macca said:
Reading through this and as someone with just over 13,400 points, I'm probably going to have a bit of bias, but I really cannot understand the way people are losing their heads over the ID thing. I've earned my points, I accept that I won't get tickets to every away game, but that's fine because quite frankly I couldn't afford to even if I did have the points. When you go to away games, it's always good to see some of the same faces, particularly when you're trying to work out which pub to go to (and which one to avoid, as there are some fools that can't handle themselves sensibly on away days).

If you've got the points and are going to use your ticket for yourself, what do you have to worry about?

If you qualify and buy the ticket, it's yours, so having your ID checked ensures that you're not being pushed out of the way by people that don't. It's a fair measure. I get that it can be frustrating if you've got to queue up for a while to have it check or make an excursion to pick up the ticket rather than going straight from the pub to the turnstile, but FFS "it's giving up my free time". Grow up.

How else do you want them to do manage the situation?
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‘Growing up’ is understanding the freedoms that this country has for its citizens. Clearly, like others, you think it’s ok to just have those freedoms removed for your convenience. Well I’m sorry that I have the backbone my Mancunian forefathers gave me and the protections they won for me.
You seemingly don’t believe that people should have rights to their own time. A nice little facist aren’t you?
 
squirtyflower said:
‘Growing up’ is understanding the freedoms that this country has for its citizens. Clearly, like others, you think it’s ok to just have those freedoms removed for your convenience. Well I’m sorry that I have the backbone my Mancunian forefathers gave me and the protections they won for me.
You seemingly don’t believe that people should have rights to their own time. A nice little facist aren’t you?
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I didn’t know we had William Wallace on this Forum
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
Couldn't the ID check be done at the same time? While you are waiting in the queue, somebody does an ID check of every 10th/20th person? That way it wouldn't eat into any of your free time and wouldn't mean you having to go out of your way to get your iD checked.
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I agree that would speed up the process.
However I’m diametrically opposed to the whole principle of ID checks at a football game. Just as I am to the excessive and sometimes intrusive searches, the filming of fans by the police whilst sat in a bar having a drink with friends, the kettling of fans at the whim of the police etc etc.
We are already treaded as inhuman for attending a football game and it disappoints me that our own fans are so happy to remove what freedoms we have left.

To some that means ‘growing up’, to others it’s fighting for what’s right.
 
sweenyuk said:
I represent the disabled supporters and report back anything relevant through my involvement in the disabled supporters association www.mcdsa.co.uk direct to our members.
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I'm sure you and all the other reps do, it wasn't really a criticism, more pointing out PB posts what he can on here which I appreciate, but leaves himself open to getting drawn into arguments that can take over the thread. Maybe PB would be better posting a bit less on the discussions some of which may lead to nothing , and just report back on what's decided. He's in a bit of a catch22 as you all are but we need to show a bit more patience before jumping to conclusions.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
Couldn't the ID check be done at the same time? While you are waiting in the queue, somebody does an ID check of every 10th/20th person? That way it wouldn't eat into any of your free time and wouldn't mean you having to go out of your way to get your iD checked.
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I normally only comment on disabled issues but that is the exact check that has been suggested Tickets for concerts these days have the bookers name printed on them, it was proposed the same with away tickets with random checks on the door. Those found to have a ticket not in their name would still get in but the original purchaser would be blocked from future purchases for a period of time . None of this has been agreed it was just a proposal to consider. All ticket purchases at away games use the same queue so regardless of where the tickets came from as in hospitality, sc, or ticket office the chances of being ID'd would be the same
 
squirtyflower said:
However I’m diametrically opposed to the whole principle of ID checks at a football game. Just as I am to the excessive and sometimes intrusive searches, the filming of fans by the police whilst sat in a bar having a drink with friends, the kettling of fans at the whim of the police etc etc.
We are already treaded as inhuman for attending a football game and it disappoints me that our own fans are so happy to remove what freedoms we have left.

To some that means ‘growing up’, to others it’s fighting for what’s right.
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I must admit to not really getting the opposition to having ID available to check. Perhaps it's due to living so many years abroad and needing it but even in the UK we need ID when we go abroad, when driving, opening a bank account, going to the pub/cinema (if lucky enough to be young enough to need one) etc. I don't really see the big deal about having it at a football match, especially if the purpose is to allow more supporters that want to go to a match to buy a ticket.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
I must admit to not really getting the opposition to having ID available to check. Perhaps it's due to living so many years abroad and needing it but even in the UK we need ID when we go abroad, when driving, opening a bank account, going to the pub/cinema (if lucky enough to be young enough to need one) etc. I don't really see the big deal about having it at a football match, especially if the purpose is to allow more supporters that want to go to a match to buy a ticket.
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Maybe it's just a step too far? We are going to watch a football match, not going to an International conference deciding the fate of nations! JMHO

Before anyone comes out with the old chestnut: 'If you've nothing to hide why are you bothered?' Simply because I have nothing to hide. I was born during the second world war and we had to have them in those days (still got mine!!) but we also had rationing then as well but it doesn't mean we have to have them nowadays just to attend a football match.
 
Looking forward to seeing this fiasco in practice, 10 mins till kick off, hundreds turning up drunk, it's only going to end one way.
 
fathellensbellend said:
Looking forward to seeing this fiasco in practice, 10 mins till kick off, hundreds turning up drunk, it's only going to end one way.
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And that is why it was only ever a proposal. There are so many issues to consider such as who would actually want the job of being the chief checker, if someone is ill is it wrong for them to pass on their tickets, how easy would it be to target your place in the queue as in you see someone ID'd so get as close to them as possible to reduce risk of you being next, would the system cope with last minute surges, could we actually insist on ID etc

If anyone has the answer to how to allocate away tickets for high demand games please let us know. If anyone wants to post more excuses for why our initial thoughts won't work please open a new topic which we can ignore as we would prefer help rather than a long list of identical posts pointing out the obvious. Cheers Mark Barber, Disabled Supporters Representative www.mcdsa.co.uk www.access4blues.co.uk
 
The answer is very easy Mark
Every away ticket is sold through the loyalty scheme
No If or buts
Hospitality is for home games it should not come with an inducement for away tickets
Growing the brand ie overseas visitors can also be accommodated at home matches only, why are they offered away tickets
 
Chappie said:
The answer is very easy Mark
Every away ticket is sold through the loyalty scheme
No If or buts
Hospitality is for home games it should not come with an inducement for away tickets
Growing the brand ie overseas visitors can also be accommodated at home matches only, why are they offered away tickets
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Every away ticket is sold through the loyalty scheme - No If or buts - is the correct answer
 
mayo31 said:
The worst place for this proposal would be OT. That away end is shocking
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Posted to the wrong thread This reply should have gone to the new "stating the bleeding obvious" thread as per my previous reply.

Edited to include ☺️ to ensure some bluemooners understand my humour
 
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cyberblue said:
So whats the problem ? Our branch usualy took one or two coaches to all away.games
Most got there own tickets only a handfull got them the branch. plus not always our alocation was sold out
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With all due respect the team and things have moved on since you were involved in a branch so the allocation and bun fight for tickets is more extreme.

I'm not disputing that fellow Blues travel alongside supporters clubs, it makes sense for everyone to travel together to cut down the cost, but currently there's no logic or fairness in the allocation of tickets to the branches, we all know some branches are favoured more than others and i'm amazed that you're so naive to think it doesn't go on?

As i posted to PB, if there's nothing to hide and it's all done kosher then why not make it transparent for all to see, it can't be that hard?
 
squirtyflower said:
‘Growing up’ is understanding the freedoms that this country has for its citizens. Clearly, like others, you think it’s ok to just have those freedoms removed for your convenience. Well I’m sorry that I have the backbone my Mancunian forefathers gave me and the protections they won for me.
You seemingly don’t believe that people should have rights to their own time. A nice little facist aren’t you?
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Thanks, but you don't need to try and lecture me on freedoms. And no, I'm absolutely not a facist. I just don't think carrying out ID checks to ensure that the ticket is being used by the person who purchased it is against the HRA. Of course people have rights to their own time, but let's be realistic about things. Think about the job the club is having to do. They've been criticised by some of our fans for the way the ticket system works because it's being abused by point horders, but at the same time they've got to find away to reward loyalty and ensure longstanding fans can get to away games.

I'm sorry you've taken my post out of context and feel hurt by it, that's clearly not the point I was going for.

Going forward the club's got to try and run the ticket scheme in the right way, they've got to try and work out a fair and reasonable means of ensuring that. If you've got any alternative suggestions as to how they can do this, please share.
 
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