VAR (PL introduction 2019)

I hate VAR, and think it is bad for the game…but I’m a realist and it’s inevitable. My “manifesto” for a better VAR would be as follows:

1. Learn from the pilots

Lots of versions in play now. FIFA should refuse permissions for associations to use it next season and use the full year to evaluate the various pilots of it and come up with one definitive version, based on the best of what the evaluation of the pilots suggest. Going forward, Associations must use that, or not use VAR at all.

2. Access

My preference would be that it is only called into play when the Ref asks for it. We shouldn’t have people whispering in referees’ ears. They are in charge of the game.

If not, the only time when VAR should proactively get involved is to ask a question to clarify what a ref saw, rather than suggest a decision is wrong (see 3 and 4 below).

3. Be transparent and keep things focussed

The Schalke stuff (monitor broken) was crazy, and this shouldn’t be allowed to happen. Just accept that you need to do without VAR for that game.

The Refs and VAR team need to be miked as they are in all other sports which use this tech, so we can hear specifically what is going on.

Let’s keep things as tight as possible in terms of reviews. This creates the parameters by which VAR should operate which helps players and fans understand it, and mitigates against VAR going looking for things.

We could go to the lengths that Rugby does (“is there any reason I can’t award a goal”) but I worry about that a bit. Football is more fluid, and it would cause big delays in terms of looking back over prolonged periods of time. Our derby goal against the Rags this year was a long passage of play and we don’t want to look at “phases” in detail, it will take too long and ruin the flow of games.

4. Get it to support referees, not undermine them

This was supposedly a big driver of VAR – get tech to help refs out. I think it is undermining them now tho.

Way to tackle this is to have a “refs call” and, in cases where there are very fine margins (milometers for offsides, subjective views as to whether there is a foul or not), we should be supporting referees and accepting that humans aren’t perfect. I don’t want a VAR which says “disallow that goal because the striker’s big toe might have been offside if our camera angle and lines on the video are right”. All this stuff about microchips in shirts and boots and stuff – total red herring.

The Ref should stay in control at all times.

As an example, in the case of a goal following a clear offside, the VAR team could legitimately say “You gave onside but the video shows the striker appears to be offside, do you want to view the footage?”. The Ref, and no-one else, gets to decide, and we hear their explanation for whether they decide to review or not.

As a further example, if a ref gives a pen and the guy has not been touched and dived then VAR should rightly try and clear this up, but in a way which emphasies that the ref is in charge. Eg, “Did you think there was contact there Ref, as there may not have been?”. Ref then gets chance to see for themselves and decide whether their decision was right. Equally, if a player appears to have fouled someone but the ref plays on then VAR could check whether the Ref saw it. If a Ref says “yes I saw contact between 2 players and I was alright with that” then the Ref’s view should prevail.

What we don’t want is subjectivity like “you gave a foul there but we disagree”. We shouldn’t be replacing the subjective view of one person with anothers. If we want to do that, then get rid of Refs and do it all through a booth.

This, I think, is the real problem. The FArce, Uefa, FICKFUFA have no need to learn from anyone. They know all the answers before anyone has posed a question. Had anyone been asked to describe the worst possible application of technology in sport they would not be far off what has so far obtained in Uefa's application of VAR in its Champions' League.
 
They should try to learn from where cricket has ended up IMO. They have been through the years of teething troubles and tweaked things as they have gone along and ended up with something that is transparent, as fair as you are likely to get and reasonably uncontroversial. I know it is a different situation in terms of cricket decisions are much more objectively correct or incorrect but the subjectivity of football is even more reason for things to be totally transparent. Cricket doesn't have an anonymous person deciding what to review and what not to review and then it isn't done with an entirely private conversation. Football would do well to understand why that is the case. Unfortunately UEFA will just do what they want to do and from the early signs, something that appeared to be a total no brainer and was supposed to reduce injustice and reduce controversy looks to be doing the opposite. In fact looking at the over-riding principle behind VAR according to that VAR Handbook, I would suggest that UEFA's version of VAR is literally the opposite of what VAR was intended to be.
 
I hate VAR, and think it is bad for the game…but I’m a realist and it’s inevitable. My “manifesto” for a better VAR would be as follows:

1. Learn from the pilots

Lots of versions in play now. FIFA should refuse permissions for associations to use it next season and use the full year to evaluate the various pilots of it and come up with one definitive version, based on the best of what the evaluation of the pilots suggest. Going forward, Associations must use that, or not use VAR at all.

2. Access

My preference would be that it is only called into play when the Ref asks for it. We shouldn’t have people whispering in referees’ ears. They are in charge of the game.

If not, the only time when VAR should proactively get involved is to ask a question to clarify what a ref saw, rather than suggest a decision is wrong (see 3 and 4 below).

3. Be transparent and keep things focussed

The Schalke stuff (monitor broken) was crazy, and this shouldn’t be allowed to happen. Just accept that you need to do without VAR for that game.

The Refs and VAR team need to be miked as they are in all other sports which use this tech, so we can hear specifically what is going on.

Let’s keep things as tight as possible in terms of reviews. This creates the parameters by which VAR should operate which helps players and fans understand it, and mitigates against VAR going looking for things.

We could go to the lengths that Rugby does (“is there any reason I can’t award a goal”) but I worry about that a bit. Football is more fluid, and it would cause big delays in terms of looking back over prolonged periods of time. Our derby goal against the Rags this year was a long passage of play and we don’t want to look at “phases” in detail, it will take too long and ruin the flow of games.

4. Get it to support referees, not undermine them

This was supposedly a big driver of VAR – get tech to help refs out. I think it is undermining them now tho.

Way to tackle this is to have a “refs call” and, in cases where there are very fine margins (milometers for offsides, subjective views as to whether there is a foul or not), we should be supporting referees and accepting that humans aren’t perfect. I don’t want a VAR which says “disallow that goal because the striker’s big toe might have been offside if our camera angle and lines on the video are right”. All this stuff about microchips in shirts and boots and stuff – total red herring.

The Ref should stay in control at all times.

As an example, in the case of a goal following a clear offside, the VAR team could legitimately say “You gave onside but the video shows the striker appears to be offside, do you want to view the footage?”. The Ref, and no-one else, gets to decide, and we hear their explanation for whether they decide to review or not.

As a further example, if a ref gives a pen and the guy has not been touched and dived then VAR should rightly try and clear this up, but in a way which emphasies that the ref is in charge. Eg, “Did you think there was contact there Ref, as there may not have been?”. Ref then gets chance to see for themselves and decide whether their decision was right. Equally, if a player appears to have fouled someone but the ref plays on then VAR could check whether the Ref saw it. If a Ref says “yes I saw contact between 2 players and I was alright with that” then the Ref’s view should prevail.

What we don’t want is subjectivity like “you gave a foul there but we disagree”. We shouldn’t be replacing the subjective view of one person with anothers. If we want to do that, then get rid of Refs and do it all through a booth.

Some excellent points here above.
 
Principle 5 of the Var handbook states that the original decision given by the ref will not be changed unless the video review clearly shows that the decision was clearly wrong.

How can the penalty decision last night be justified then? Last night's penalty decision was subjective and not clearly correct?
Excellent post...just dont hold yer breath waiting for an answer..
 
VAR taking far, far too long.

there should be a time limit for review. If its so close its hard to call, give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking side.
 
VAR taking far, far too long.

there should be a time limit for review. If its so close its hard to call, give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking side.
I think the problem is the 'clear and obvious error' rule isn't being followed. If you can't see pretty quickly that the referee or linesman got it wrong, then you should go with the original decision. Take Otamendi's handball last week. If the referee gave a penalty and VAR backed him, I wouldn't have had a problem. But there was no way that was an obvious enough error to overrule the ref. But then they're encouraging officials to not make decisions if they're in doubt and rely on VAR to mop it up afterwards.
 
I think the problem is the 'clear and obvious error' rule isn't being followed. If you can't see pretty quickly that the referee or linesman got it wrong, then you should go with the original decision. Take Otamendi's handball last week. If the referee gave a penalty and VAR backed him, I wouldn't have had a problem. But there was no way that was an obvious enough error to overrule the ref. But then they're encouraging officials to not make decisions if they're in doubt and rely on VAR to mop it up afterwards.

exactly this, if it's clear and obvious, a quick look should tell you, no need for 4 minutes debate examining every angle
 
Most important thing: we got right decisions tonight. That's what we want.

It's much quicker in Bundesliga matches meanwhile, so let's just be a bit patient.

We should invent a routine while waiting for the VAR decision instead of moaning.

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu... RAYYYYY!
 
VAR taking far, far too long.

there should be a time limit for review. If its so close its hard to call, give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking side.
Agreed. The offside checks today were a bit much, you could tell at first glance that even if they were off it would have been by mm. They should be able to get those checks finished between the ball hitting the net and getting back to the centre circle.
It feels like every goal is getting forensic level examination instead of a check for clear and obvious faults, followed by forensic exam of needed.
 
It’s utter shit when your at the ground. Farcical. Thank god for city Wi-fi and blue moon to let us know whether it’s a goal or not
 
Lad behind us got a text that Sterling was onside for his goal at least 30 seconds before ref gave it
They gotta speed it up
Joke that he checked Phil's goal

8 Var reviews.
7 goals
6 subs
2 added minutes
 
Fucking farce tonight. If you cant tell a goal is offside in under 30 seconds then surely it should stand. It wasn't difficult to spot the chap in the far side was playing Sterling on.
It rather ruined the goal of the season for the Pass by Sane and the finish by Sterling.
 
We need to know at the ground whynthey are checking VAR, the ref should be telling us he’s looking at offside or whatever, I mean why were they looking at Agueros,second? Also does the clock stop for VAR because it doesn’t seem to, today we had at least 2 VAR stoppages, 6 subs and 4 goals in the second half, we got 1 minute of extra time which wasn’t even played.
 
Lad behind us got a text that Sterling was onside for his goal at least 30 seconds before ref gave it
They gotta speed it up
Joke that he checked Phil's goal

8 Var reviews.
7 goals
6 subs
2 added minutes

That's what a ref is expected to do at 7-0 since I watch football.
 
They are trying to make the game perfect it will never work for football its an instant emotion game. Take Offside as an example there to stop “goal hanging” now with VAR a player can be offside by 2mm surely a player can’t be goal hanging by 2mm?

Tonight was an absolute farce seeming that every goal was checked, fans started wondering if the each goal counted Image having to stand there after 93:20 goal wondering if we had won the league I’d rather refs made mistakes.

Never wanted it and it’s working exactly as I expected
 

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