“City Matters” fan committee

[whp.blue]

Are the two missing ways the following: Doubling up at the turnstile and printing your own tickets?

No they are illegal.
I will not divulge how I do it but whilst there isn't a level playing field I see no reason anyone should hold me to higher standards than SC members, point whores, and soon to be 18-25 yr olds let alone ticket sites and Airlines FFS.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

But they will still get tickets before other supporters with higher points than them.
Those points were hard earned by supporters doing hard miles.
Tell me that is not true and I will never raise the subject again.

You said you and your mates didn’t put in the hard miles to get your Schalke tickets on the previous page. Is there something I’m missing?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

But they will still get tickets before other supporters with higher points than them.
Those points were hard earned by supporters doing hard miles.
Tell me that is not true and I will never raise the subject again.

They won’t. I’ve said before that, with the measures being introduced to discourage people buying tickets for the points, we expect tickets to go down to a lower points level. People who genuinely do the hard miles won’t miss out. People just below the points level that games are currently selling out at will be the winners.

And at least the ballot is open & transparent, unlike people like you who, on their own admittance, use every trick in the book to deny those people access to tickets. But at least you’re honest about it, which I respect. Some of those complaining would be plainly exposed as hypocrites if they followed your example.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

No they are illegal.
I will not divulge how I do it but whilst there isn't a level playing field I see no reason anyone should hold me to higher standards than SC members, point whores, and soon to be 18-25 yr olds let alone ticket sites and Airlines FFS.

My comment was a little tongue in cheek...fair play to you though

 

[andyhinch]

No they are illegal.
I will not divulge how I do it but whilst there isn't a level playing field I see no reason anyone should hold me to higher standards than SC members, point whores, and soon to be 18-25 yr olds let alone ticket sites and Airlines FFS.

I changed my birth certificate to say I was born in 1998 with my boyish good looks I’m getting away with it ;-)

 

[whp.blue]

They won’t. I’ve said before that, with the measures being introduced to discourage people buying tickets for the points, we expect tickets to go down to a lower points level. People who genuinely do the hard miles won’t miss out. People just below the points level that games are currently selling out at will be the winners.

And at least the ballot is open & transparent, unlike people like you who, on their own admittance, use every trick in the book to deny those people access to tickets. But at least you’re honest about it, which I respect. Some of those complaining would be plainly exposed as hypocrites if they followed your example.

Are you saying absolutely no 18 -25 year old on say 3000 points will never get a ticket before say a 40 year old on 9000 points?

 

[whp.blue]

They won’t. I’ve said before that, with the measures being introduced to discourage people buying tickets for the points, we expect tickets to go down to a lower points level. People who genuinely do the hard miles won’t miss out. People just below the points level that games are currently selling out at will be the winners.

And at least the ballot is open & transparent, unlike people like you who, on their own admittance, use every trick in the book to deny those people access to tickets. But at least you’re honest about it, which I respect. Some of those complaining would be plainly exposed as hypocrites if they followed your example.

Are you saying absolutely no 18 -25 year old on say 3000 points will never get a ticket before say a 40 year old on 9000 points?

You said you and your mates didn’t put in the hard miles to get your Schalke tickets on the previous page. Is there something I’m missing?

What do you call hard miles.
Got my first season ticket in 1968.
In ten seasons when we were in the lower divisions I missed 3 games home and away.
Went to every game home and away whilst in div 3.

But I never bought into ticket points I knew the club have always just wanted to shift tickets with little care of who to.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Are you saying absolutely no 18 -25 year old on say 3000 points will never get a ticket before say a 40 year old on 9000 points?

A 40 year old on 9k points hasn’t been doing the hard miles.

 

[whp.blue]

Are you saying absolutely no 18 -25 year old on say 3000 points will never get a ticket before say a 40 year old on 9000 points?

What do you call hard miles.
Got my first season ticket in 1968.
In ten seasons when we were in the lower divisions I missed 3 games home and away.
Went to every game home and away whilst in div 3.
Was in Vienna in 1970 only game I missed on the way was Shalke.
But I never bought into ticket points never had platinum. I knew the club have always just wanted to shift tickets with little care of who to.

A 40 year old on 9k points hasn’t been doing the hard miles.

Semantics.
Ok a 26 year old with 14000 points and a big away game.
Will any 18-25 year old on lower points get a ticket before him?

 

[whp.blue]

A 40 year old on 9k points hasn’t been doing the hard miles.

And an 18-25 year old has?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

You seemed to define the hard yards as accumulating ticket points before your last post. Now you say you are not interested in ticket points.

I don’t really care but you could try to be a bit more consistent, mate.

 

[Rochdale Blue]

Semantics.
Ok a 26 year old with 14000 points and a big away game.
Will any 18-25 year old on lower points get a ticket before him?

Should be fun if we reach the CL final. Sky say the two teams will get 17k tickets each.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

And an 18-25 year old has?

We don't know do we? Many of those are getting tickets off people with high points and aren't getting ticket points themselves. So they're falling even further behind even thought they may be going to most games

I'd rather we had an open and transparent system that rewards these young fans rather than one that makes it harder for them. And one that discourages people buying tickets just for the points.

 

[whp.blue]

You seemed to define the hard yards as accumulating ticket points before your last post. Now you say you are not interested in ticket points.

I don’t really care but you could try to be a bit more consistent, mate.

I don't care as I don't need points.
However the argument that what is being done affects fans who have higher points than me.
Whilst I accept I can bypass a bent system not everyone can.
Pity there isn't enough being done to make the system fairer.
I have no problem missing out on a ticket if the only criteria was points.
But we all no it isn't.
SC are being defended to the hilt by City Matters and everyone knows they are cheating just as much as me.
18-25 group is the new cheat.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I don't care as I don't need points.
However the argument that what is being done affects fans who have higher points than me.
Whilst I accept I can bypass a bent system not everyone can.
Pity there isn't enough done to make the system fairer.
I have no problem missing out on a ticket if the only criteria was points.
But we all no it isn't.
SC are being defended to the hilt by City Matters and everyone knows they are cheating just as much as me.
18-25 group is the new cheat.

"I can bypass a bent system" yet everyone else is cheating. Right.

 

[whp.blue]

"I can bypass a bent system" yet everyone else is cheating. Right.

I have said from the get go I cheat a bent system and with the clubs knowledge.
However you seem hell bent on making it easier for people to beat the points system.
I am a bit surprised you have had time to consider this point but not enough to state that 18-25 year olds will not be given tickets over orher fans with higher points.
Bit strange considering your position and insider knowledge.

 

[whp.blue]

We don't know do we? Many of those are getting tickets off people with high points and aren't getting ticket points themselves. So they're falling even further behind even thought they may be going to most games

I'd rather we had an open and transparent system that rewards these young fans rather than one that makes it harder for them. And one that discourages people buying tickets just for the points.

The answer to that conundrum is easy but unpalatable to people with vestied intrests.

There should be only two ways to obtain tickets.
1. On points on say a three year rolling points scheme.
2. Win them off the club as prizes.

Any one from the points scheme found abusing the system loose all their points and banned from obtaining further away tickets.

I would vote for that even though it would mean I no longer got tickets.

 

[blue corby]

As there is obviously a lot of resentment towards id checks at away games and the reps are there to put forward our concerns can I take it at the next meeting these concerns will be raised ?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

As there is obviously a lot of resentment towards id checks at away games and the reps are there to put forward our concerns can I take it at the next meeting these concerns will be raised ?

We'll look at it from all sides but I don't consider half a dozen posters on Bluemoon, some of whom have vested interests in ID checks not being implemented, "a lot of resentment".

I also have to consider the views of those on 13/14/15k points, who would undoutedly benefit from them.

People can't say "tickets should go to points holders" while objecting to measures that try to ensure that they do.

 

[the_invisible_man]

We'll look at it from all sides but I don't consider half a dozen posters on Bluemoon, some of whom have vested interests in ID checks not being implemented, "a lot of resentment".

I also have to consider the views of those on 13/14/15k points, who would undoutedly benefit from them.

People can't say "tickets should go to points holders" while objecting to measures that try to ensure that they do.

I’m just above those points and I’m all for ID checks. As I said earlier in the thread you could see from when it was introduced before when the points came right down for European aways that it’s needed and works. Organisation at Celtic was always going to be difficult but that shouldn’t put it off. I don’t think the proposal is to ID everyone so this will reduce the long queues etc