“City Matters” fan committee

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

Sorry, I've not read all of the thread. Am I correct in saying that ID checks are being implemented like as at Celtic?

 

[blue corby]

We'll look at it from all sides but I don't consider half a dozen posters on Bluemoon, some of whom have vested interests in ID checks not being implemented, "a lot of resentment".

I also have to consider the views of those on 13/14/15k points, who would undoutedly benefit from them.

People can't say "tickets should go to points holders" while objecting to measures that try to ensure that they do.

I am one of those in the points bracket you mention but I’m still against something coming in . As it stands I get to plenty of away games as a lot have gone down to low or no points and those that haven’t I wouldn’t stand a chance in hell of getting anyway , those that do get tickets for the big games deserve them and if I had been as committed as them then maybe I would have the points they have but I had other things that were more pressing than football unfortunately.But why should I be forced to carry id around when it’s not a law in this country to do so ?
Also by doing away with points for away games how is anyone supposed to catch up those that are presently above us ? All Sc holders will be getting the same amount of points if that happens so there is no movement on the ladder except if you buy points through platinum ,something the club is no doubt keen to continue.

 

[Bozzie]

I’m just above those points and I’m all for ID checks. As I said earlier in the thread you could see from when it was introduced before when the points came right down for European aways that it’s needed and works. Organisation at Celtic was always going to be difficult but that shouldn’t put it off. I don’t think the proposal is to ID everyone so this will reduce the long queues etc

The focus (after Celtic) should have been on making the collection process work properly, instead the club just abandoned it rather than address the issues.

 

[squirtyflower]

We'll look at it from all sides but I don't consider half a dozen posters on Bluemoon, some of whom have vested interests in ID checks not being implemented, "a lot of resentment".

I also have to consider the views of those on 13/14/15k points, who would undoutedly benefit from them.

People can't say "tickets should go to points holders" while objecting to measures that try to ensure that they do.

As someone who doesn’t believe in ID checks I can only assume you are including me in your slurs.
I’ve been to all the games that required ID, Kiev, Paris, Madrid, Bucharest and it’s timely demise in Glasgow.
I don’t believe either you or some of the others posting on here in favour of the the ID checks have the full house.
For each game it was an inconvenience, and for all them a fair track to ensure I had my tickets to hand.
My daughter nearly missed the Celtic game as she drove up straight after work and then spent time faffing around getting her ticket, City wouldn’t allow me to collect it for her, of course, although corporate could.

My issue, which you responded to with a guffaw, is you defending the move towards us losing yet more freedom for football fans. You may be ok with losing yours, I’m not ok with you or anyone else giving up mine as you haven’t earned the right.

However you have made up your mind to go ahead with it as it’s something you always wanted, regardless of whether the removal of points would work instead. Most people would wait to see if the simple measure worked before agreeing to introducing a draconian one.

My last word on it as you get posters haranguing you, who don’t see their own hypocrisy of their stance on ID checks and doing the work of Thatcher for her.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

PB, are you at the Swansea game?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

PB, are you at the Swansea game?

No.

 

[Eccles Blue]

I keep thinking that I won't post again however................... as a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as it states on my passport, I do NOT have to carry ID unless I am going abroad. Nowhere on my passport or in the laws of this country does it state that I have to have an ID card.

If the club introduce photo season cards fair enough I will carry a photo season card. There is the technology in this day and age to have the photo from the season card printed on the away ticket so surely that is a more sensible option. Has no one suggested this?

However as the saying goes, taking a hammer to crack a nut, does not seem like a sensible thing for our beloved club to do.

Was there not a meeting in February? If so where are the minutes?


EDIT:
p.s. I am not haranguing anyone, just asking a question and stating, as I am allowed to do, my opinion. :-)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Sorry, I've not read all of the thread. Am I correct in saying that ID checks are being implemented like as at Celtic?

No you're not correct. At Celtic it was a full check miles from the stadium. The proposal (and that's all it is at the moment) is that maybe 100-200 people are asked to produce ID and that will be at or very near the stadium. I would not support anything else.

 

[The blue phantom]

I have said from the get go I cheat a bent system and with the clubs knowledge.
However you seem hell bent on making it easier for people to beat the points system.
I am a bit surprised you have had time to consider this point but not enough to state that 18-25 year olds will not be given tickets over orher fans with higher points.
Bit strange considering your position and insider knowledge.

I think its fairly certain that those 150 balloted tickets for 18-25 year olds will mean folk with higher points who would of qualified, will miss out.

So basically a 26 year old with well over 12'000 points could miss out to a 25 year old with 2 or 3000 points.

Sounds fair to me.

 

[whp.blue]

I think its fairly certain that those 150 balloted tickets for 18-25 year olds will mean folk with higher points who would of qualified, will miss out.

So basically a 26 year old with well over 12'000 points could miss out to a 25 year old with 2 or 3000 points.

Sounds fair to me.

My reading as well however Prestwich Blue seems very resistant to confirm this.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I keep thinking that I won't post again however................... as a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as it states on my passport, I do NOT have to carry ID unless I am going abroad. Nowhere on my passport or in the laws of this country does it state that I have to have an ID card.

If the club introduce photo season cards fair enough I will carry a photo season card. There is the technology in this day and age to have the photo from the season card printed on the away ticket so surely that is a more sensible option. Has no one suggested this?

However as the saying goes, taking a hammer to crack a nut, does not seem like a sensible thing for our beloved club to do.

Was there not a meeting in February? If so where are the minutes?


EDIT:
p.s. I am not haranguing anyone, just asking a question and stating, as I am allowed to do, my opinion. :-)

There is no law requiring you to carry ID in this country. But there are circumstances where you have to be able to verify your identity. If you're buying alcohol and the vendor has to have proof you're over 25. Not a problem for you or me of course though! My daughter, as an NHS employee, can get certain discounts but she has to show her ID.

I went to the Football Museum in Tuesday for Gary James' excellent talk. As a Manchester resident I get free entry but had to prove I lived where I do. So I used my driving licence.

There are a load of rules & regulations attached to buying a ticket for a football match that you agree to when buying a ticket. You agree you won't take certain items into the ground and that you will abide by the ground regulations once inside. Some of that has a legal basis, in that it's a criminal offence in any other circumstances, some is based on local bye-laws or on other regulations. And some is at the sole behest of the club in order to enforce its own particular requirements. Passing on a ticket for a regulated football match or facilitating such an act without authority from the issuer is, technically, a criminal offence, even if that's done at face value or less. Ridiculous I know (and it rarely seems to be enforced even against blatant touts) but it's the law.

If the club decides to introduce these checks then you buy a ticket and implicitly agree to them. If you're so vehemently opposed then don't buy an away ticket.

People who systematically sell on tickets are denying those tickets to people who should be entitled to them. I really can't understand why people see attempts to enforce this as a problem.

 

[blue corby]

I think its fairly certain that those 150 balloted tickets for 18-25 year olds will mean folk with higher points who would of qualified, will miss out.

So basically a 26 year old with well over 12'000 points could miss out to a 25 year old with 2 or 3000 points.

Sounds fair to me.

Even worse they could miss out to a first year season card holder with only the minimum points .

As you say sounds fair to me

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

I was hoping to meet you at Goodison but because the East Lancs was so bad I arrived at the last minute

 

[The blue phantom]

Even worse they could miss out to a first year season card holder with only the minimum points .

As you say sounds fair to me

Yep, sounds even fairer now too.

Fuckin Madness.

 

[blue corby]

There is no law requiring you to carry ID in this country. But there are circumstances where you have to be able to verify your identity. If you're buying alcohol and the vendor has to have proof you're over 25. Not a problem for you or me of course though! My daughter, as an NHS employee, can get certain discounts but she has to show her ID.

I went to the Football Museum in Tuesday for Gary James' excellent talk. As a Manchester resident I get free entry but had to prove I lived where I do. So I used my driving licence.

There are a load of rules & regulations attached to buying a ticket for a football match that you agree to when buying a ticket. You agree you won't take certain items into the ground and that you will abide by the ground regulations once inside. Some of that has a legal basis, in that it's a criminal offence in any other circumstances, some is based on local bye-laws or on other regulations. And some is at the sole behest of the club in order to enforce its own particular requirements. Passing on a ticket for a regulated football match or facilitating such an act without authority from the issuer is, technically, a criminal offence, even if that's done at face value or less. Ridiculous I know (and it rarely seems to be enforced even against blatant touts) but it's the law.

If the club decides to introduce these checks then you buy a ticket and implicitly agree to them. If you're so vehemently opposed then don't buy an away ticket.

People who systematically sell on tickets are denying those tickets to people who should be entitled to them. I really can't understand why people see attempts to enforce this as a problem.

The part about implicitly agree to them is utter crap as the club don’t even abide by there own terms and conditions. Most games the 2 seats in front of us which are classed as club seats in north stand level 2 are sold/ given to adults usually fans of the opposition so on 2 counts the first being away fans in home areas and the second that to sit in the family stand at least 1 child needs to accompany adults they are breaking there own t&c.

 

[mrtwiceaseason]

There is no law requiring you to carry ID in this country. But there are circumstances where you have to be able to verify your identity. If you're buying alcohol and the vendor has to have proof you're over 25. Not a problem for you or me of course though! My daughter, as an NHS employee, can get certain discounts but she has to show her ID.

I went to the Football Museum in Tuesday for Gary James' excellent talk. As a Manchester resident I get free entry but had to prove I lived where I do. So I used my driving licence.

There are a load of rules & regulations attached to buying a ticket for a football match that you agree to when buying a ticket. You agree you won't take certain items into the ground and that you will abide by the ground regulations once inside. Some of that has a legal basis, in that it's a criminal offence in any other circumstances, some is based on local bye-laws or on other regulations. And some is at the sole behest of the club in order to enforce its own particular requirements. Passing on a ticket for a regulated football match or facilitating such an act without authority from the issuer is, technically, a criminal offence, even if that's done at face value or less. Ridiculous I know (and it rarely seems to be enforced even against blatant touts) but it's the law.

If the club decides to introduce these checks then you buy a ticket and implicitly agree to them. If you're so vehemently opposed then don't buy an away ticket.

People who systematically sell on tickets are denying those tickets to people who should be entitled to them. I really can't understand why people see attempts to enforce this as a problem.

so you think somone who had a spare £50 each year to fund patinium deserves a ticket more than someone who couldnt afford it ?
once this came in the whole loyaty thing is null and void to me

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

so you think somone who had a spare £50 each year to fund patinium deserves a ticket more than someone who couldnt afford it ?
once this came in the whole loyaty thing is null and void to me

I absolutely agree. We've formally asked for Platinum to be scrapped.

 

[the_invisible_man]

The focus (after Celtic) should have been on making the collection process work properly, instead the club just abandoned it rather than address the issues.

Fully agree, and the proposal sounds like it aims to address this - ie less people being checked and at a convenient location

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The part about implicitly agree to them is utter crap as the club don’t even abide by there own terms and conditions. Most games the 2 seats in front of us which are classed as club seats in north stand level 2 are sold/ given to adults usually fans of the opposition so on 2 counts the first being away fans in home areas and the second that to sit in the family stand at least 1 child needs to accompany adults they are breaking there own t&c.

The club can enforce their own regulations or not, as they choose. Give me the seat numbers and matches where opposition fans were sat in them and I'll take it up. As for the Family Stand the club aren't enforcing it these days until they decide what to do with it.

 

[mrtwiceaseason]

I absolutely agree. We've formally asked for Platinum to be scrapped.

if.i was on platinium id want it scrapped its done its job now.your position is secure now in a closed shop.
you know city will spread the loss of revenue across the full seadon card holders .