bluethrunthru
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remember it wasn't about immigration
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The blue phantom
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Lol. He's to smart for some of these emptyheads, especially poor Glen.
bluethrunthru
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bluethrunthru
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I thought this is what the Tory idea of the Big Society was all abut - people helping people rather than the state doing so at a cost to the state? Fucking Tories are beyond the pale.
The perfect fumble
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"When you are angry that hunger in Britain is being televised instead of being angry that hunger exists you know that you have lost the argument."
You've also lost the argument when you inadvertently admit that only Labour has a solution.
bluethrunthru
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spot the difference - clue - he wants to appeal to the proles.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...upils-are-potted-plants-says-tory-418767.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...upils-are-potted-plants-says-tory-418767.html
Chippy_boy
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Especially when Labour don't have a solution. Increase taxes so that people and businesses have less money to spend, so your tax take falls, so you increase the taxes more and more and borrow more and more until the wheels fall off. Is not a solution.
Len Rum
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Your trickle down austerity economics certainly hasn't worked.
PS How come the national debt has doubled under the Tories? Just askin like.
Ifwecouldjust.......
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Maybe ... they don't buy a boat for Queenie.... or a £12million apartment for an ambassador to America ..... or spend more enforcing DWP work assessments than is actually saved ... you know different priorities
Chippy_boy
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There you go with your trickle down bollocks again. I've not once mentioned trickle down, and you're completely obsessed with it. As you are with your debt figure, which patently you can't really get your head around, or if you could then you would obviously know that Labour's deficit has pushed the debt up and you wouldn't keep banging on about that either.
Long may your sort remain in opposition, or preferably more marginalised than that. Bring back Michael Foot and his donkey jackets eh, Len? No thanks.
Chippy_boy
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This is a fair point. Unfortunately Labour brings with it rather more er "baggage" than a simple reprioritisation. Like wrecking the economy and making everyone worse off, baggage.
Ifwecouldjust.......
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I would at this point say ..... you do realise that the Conservatives have doubled the national debt. (again)
Chippy_boy
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Oh god not this shit again.
You do realise that when the Tories took over, they took over a national debt which was RISING by £160bn a year, don't you? Deficit and debt; that old chestnut.
Your "criticism" is like driving a car at 100 mph, realising your down the wrong road, handing the wheel to another driving (still doing 100 mph down the wrong road) and criticising him for the car travelling on a couple of hundred metres further before he can stop and turn around.
Unless the new driver stopped *instantly* (i.e. impossible) then necessarily he ends up further down the road than when he was handed the wheel.
Unless the Tories stopped the debt rising *instantly* (i.e. impossible) then the debt ends up higher than when they took over.
Distilling it down to basics since this is all pretty bleeding obvious really, you do not reduce debt by borrowing and spending more (i.e. Labour policy) do you? I mean surely that much is obvious? We've got huge amounts of national debt, so the Labour "solution" is to not reduce spending, but to borrow *more*? Any idiot can surely see that's a bonkers idea.
Yes there are cases for strategic borrowing to fund infrastructure investment or to provide a short term boost to the economy, but it has to be strategic and short term. To get things going. You cannot simply continue to borrow more and spend more and expect to keep debt under control. How on earth could anyone expect that to work?
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Len Rum
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But but but weren't the Tories supposed to have eliminated that deficit by 2015, in which case national debt would have been about 1.2tn now and falling instead of 1.8tn and rising?
Just askin like.
Chippy_boy
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Just askin the same fucking question over and over and over again. Like.
So I'll give you the same answer, why not eh?
1. Making cuts to already struggling public services is hard and practical considerations mean you can't always cut as deep as you'd need to.
2. You still have a fucking cheek for criticising the missed target, when its YOUR LOT who opposed the very cuts needed in order to meet the target.
But but but.
Chippy_boy
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Labour vs Tory performance on deficit reduction:
And Len has the effrontery to criticise the Tories about levels of debt and deficit? For fucks sake.
And Len has the effrontery to criticise the Tories about levels of debt and deficit? For fucks sake.
Dear me. You critcise austerity AND the increase in debt. Make your mind up.
Labour vs Tory performance on deficit reduction:
And Len has the effrontery to criticise the Tories about levels of debt and deficit? For fucks sake.
To be fair the borrowing was needed in 2008/2009.