QF 1st Leg Post Match Thread

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OB1 said:
Getting tired of your whinging about Pep's record in Europe. Prior to City, who are a different case, Pep IIRC had never failed to reach the semi-finals and had won the UCL twice. It gets tough at that stage (SF onwards), whoever you manage so he brought a fantastic European record with him.

Getting City to be successful in this competition is a major challenge - there's a big hurdle, probably mental as much as anything, to overcome to get us to the stage of being regular participants in the SF / Final.

As to your comment in an earlier post that Pep does not learn from his mistakes- what utter horse manure. You referenced him playing Gundo vs Liverpool last season and that was a mistake and one he clearly learnt from because he has never used Gundo in the same way again.
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Probably had to win it with Barca and probably should have won it with that Munich team. But his record as you point out is not bad. Now with City to date it is not great but that could change on Wednesday lets wait and see. He will then, and rightfully in my opinion be judged relative to Pellers, who with a bit of luck would have got us to a final. If we don't turn it around next week I'm afraid your going to probably have to put up with a lot more whinging.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Both of the players could as easily get injured in minute one or minute 96.

It seems plenty of people want it both ways.

There were eight minutes between De Bruyne and Sane coming on and the final whistle.

Even then, De Bruyne fired in a very dangerous centre and the only surprise was Lloris actually held it.

Bernardo is struggling, that's the long and short of it.

We've won a league title in less minutes than the introduction of Kev and Leroy.
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I actually almost put the Aguero analogy in my post as I knew it would be put forward

If both were going to be brought on they should have had at least thirty minutes. I knew Bernardo was injured. All water under the bridge now we have to deal with what we have.
 
Neville Kneville said:
There is a difference between having an opinion on whether Pep did the right thing & some of the abuse during & after this game.

There is no proof on whether Pep did the right thing. We will never know. There is proof however, he's doing a great job, irrespective, even if we don't win another trophy this season.

Nobody, but NOBODY, would have put us in this posistion pre season, if they knew KDB would miss most of it.
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I certainly wouldn't consider anything I have posted on the subject as abuse. Marvin who is the other poster who thinks Pep cocked up, although maybe expressing it a bit more in depth and passionately I wouldn't consider abuse either.
 
Dave S said:
Go and have a word with him Marvin. Give him some tips on how to go about managing a champions league match. I’m sure he be grateful.
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Don't comment on football forums then full stop if you don't think fans are qualified to comment.
OB1 said:
Getting tired of your whinging about Pep's record in Europe. Prior to City, who are a different case, Pep IIRC had never failed to reach the semi-finals and had won the UCL twice. It gets tough at that stage (SF onwards), whoever you manage so he brought a fantastic European record with him.

Getting City to be successful in this competition is a major challenge - there's a big hurdle, probably mental as much as anything, to overcome to get us to the stage of being regular participants in the SF / Final.

As to your comment in an earlier post that Pep does not learn from his mistakes- what utter horse manure. You referenced him playing Gundo vs Liverpool last season and that was a mistake and one he clearly learnt from because he has never used Gundo in the same way again.
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So he made a mistake in the CL quarter-final at Anfield. That's a concession which I accept.
 
qatar blue said:
Not sure you can compare the importance of a returning from injury kdb and a hot and cold sane in our team with the importance of a currently fit and firing Messi.

Time for putting the boot into pep, if that’s your take on things, will be 10pm Wednesday, however I’m sure a previous post of yours said rather prem than CL, so why care. Apologies if wrong with that
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He is the best coach I know but I don't think he got it right at Spurs, and I feel he has a habit of tinkering at this stage in this competition, often unsuccessfully.
 
As long as I don't get an answer why Pep put Delph at LB
in a tight Anfield away like setup (which I wouldn't have done, but anyway)
instead of Danilo (not even in the squad) or Laporte (with Stones or Vinnie as right CB)
I won't get any wiser.

Delph might be ok to take workload vs bottom half PL sides, but he's not a CL player for me.

Both Danilo and Laporte have much more defensive quality compared to Delph, we all know that.

If Pep wanted to play a tight setup, why didn't he do it then?
Answers only appreciated from Pep himself.
 
Marvin said:
He is the best coach I know but I don't think he got it right at Spurs, and I feel he has a habit of tinkering at this stage in this competition, often unsuccessfully.
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Sane starts every time in front of Mahrez for me. I will be very kind here.......our record signing is a squad player at best. Surely the premier league player of the year a couple of seasons back should get a game like Spurs and drag the team on to a result a la KDB. But no. Needs to leave in summer.
 
Marvin said:
He is the best coach I know but I don't think he got it right at Spurs, and I feel he has a habit of tinkering at this stage in this competition, often unsuccessfully.
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Whilst I don’t disagree to a point, could it be that it’s required to keep legs fresh. First year trying to secure top 4, second year winning league, this year winning everything. That’s likely why, prue coincidence and squad management.
I think he feared new stadium and atmosphere may have created an Anfield scenario, hence the more defensive set up. Nearly worked, we shall see what he does Wednesday, I’m guessing full on offensive.
 
St.Pauli support said:
As long as I don't get an answer why Pep put Delph at LB
in a tight Anfield away like setup (which I wouldn't have done, but anyway)
instead of Danilo (not even in the squad) or Laporte (with Stones or Vinnie as right CB)
I won't get any wiser.

Delph might be ok to take workload vs bottom half PL sides, but he's not a CL player for me.

Both Danilo and Laporte have much more defensive quality compared to Delph, we all know that.

If Pep wanted to play a tight setup, why didn't he do it then?
Answers only appreciated from Pep himself.
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We know why, spurs strength isn’t out wide, so Delph essentially extra body in midfield
 
Marvin said:
It's always the players who score the goals or who make the mistakes.

You are doing a Pep and over-complicating it. Play your best players in the biggest games. You don't see Ronaldo and Messi on the bench in the big games. Very sad to see de Bruyne and Sane sat on the bench watching City toil. I can't say that we would have won with them, but I am pretty convinced that was far from City's best side.
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To know Pep didn't play "the best players", you will obviously have insight into who was fully fit, who had niggles who was recovering from injury and needed time management, how training during the week went, what the strategy was, what was the objectives for the game, what the priorities were etc etc, so please Marv, put us out of our misery and tell us and then all those challenging you will say, "you know what, Marv was spot on" and aren't we blessed with someone on the inside posting on here.

You are (appearing to) be basing your argument on a single game, not a bigger picture - that is why pep manages at the club and why you manage on your keyboard (that wasn't meant to be ridiculing you btw).
 
A lot of people still seem a little pissed with the result,,think of it from a spurs fan point of view, going to the home of the champions who have been banging them in all season with a very narrow advantage and having two key players missing, i bet their are not that many spurs fans who are so confident and a bit of a game plan problem for them,do they take the game to us and try for a goal which will probably put the tie to bed or do they sit back and hope to get a break, i think they will do the later so in reality it just becomes like any other game at home where we have to break them down,no doubt we will do that at some point in the 90 minutes and when we do it will send them into panic mode and we will end up banging a few in,,if i was a betting man their is no way i would be putting any cash on spurs to pull it off
 
The same people moaning about pep playing delph Mahrez etc against spurs are the ones who would moan all the same if we beat spurs and then played those guys at palace and lost
I would also guess they were moaning that Laporte couldn’t play left back against hoffenhiem
And also that kdb shouldn’t play Cardiff Brighton and spurs as it’s too many games after an injury

Long and short if we don’t win every game it’s peps fault
When did we become so entitled
 
mosssideblue said:
To know Pep didn't play "the best players", you will obviously have insight into who was fully fit, who had niggles who was recovering from injury and needed time management, how training during the week went, what the strategy was, what was the objectives for the game, what the priorities were etc etc, so please Marv, put us out of our misery and tell us and then all those challenging you will say, "you know what, Marv was spot on" and aren't we blessed with someone on the inside posting on here.

You are (appearing to) be basing your argument on a single game, not a bigger picture - that is why pep manages at the club and why you manage on your keyboard (that wasn't meant to be ridiculing you btw).
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Guardiola explained his decision not to play de Bruyne in his post match press conference. He said it was tactical and he wanted to play two holding midfielders.
 
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