I wouldn't use the words unfortunate and sad, id use the words bent bastards and cheating uefa ****s, he hand balls it in, and the referee doesn't get to see that angle, wtf is going on except cheating, nothing.This does demand a proper investigation as to why ref was shown the inconclusive angles.
They show it once and then cnuts completely take the replay away. So unfortunate and sad tbh
I can....I can understand it perfectly.Showing that one angle only was criminal thing really. I just can't understand how's that possible to happen.
From the post-match thread.I wouldn't use the words unfortunate and sad, id use the words bent bastards and cheating uefa ****s, he hand balls it in, and the referee doesn't get to see that angle, wtf is going on except cheating, nothing.
I wasn’t going to say it, as I hadn’t seen that angle so couldn’t be sure, but this does support my belief that VAR will be largely implemented and used in order to allow them to maintain plausible deniability in still getting certain calls wrong, when it suits them.
In this case, I said at the time to a mate that they were oddly only prominently showing the one angle to Cakir that made it very difficult to discern if it his arm. There were about 5 others available and they only showed two on his screen, and he ignored the other one (which was also a better angle), instead discussing the dubious one with the VAR official via his mic.
And save this post: when faced with this evidence, and having reviewed with VAR, they will just say something to the effect of “well, we only have a limited time to review and cannot look at all of the angles; we depend on the VAR team to highlight the best camera angles to review.”
We didn’t lose tonight because of VAR, but it certainly didn’t help us.
He scored with his hip though. Clear as anything if ypu watch the correct replay.
It’s quite simple, they wanted it to stand.......as the headlines say this morning ‘ Spurs prove it’s not all about money’ . We are hated, take your pick of reasons.If I take my tinfoil helmet off for a minute, I reckon the reason it wasn’t shown to the referee is because those adjudicating never looked at that angle before coming to their decision. I’m sure they probably would have shown it and disallowed the goal if they had.It’s only when they show a goal on the main site from every angle that you appreciate how many angles there are, so the questions really are whose camera captured that image and why can a panel of reviewers not see all angles before deciding?
I’m not sure whether this rule is in place now but as of next season a goal will not be given if an attacker gains an advantage from using his hand/arm even if its unintentional.
So their goal should not have stood. However, we benefitted from a similar decision against Arsenal earlier in the season when Kun scored. Shit happens but we’ve only ourselves to blame.
Having a goalkeeper who is a distinctly average shot stopper doesn’t help at this level. Neither does your star striker missing a penalty and best CB gifting the opposition two goals.
Is it not more likely that BT send the footage for review to adjudicators and they send that to the refs screen. Meaning it was still BT choosing the angles?If I take my tinfoil helmet off for a minute, I reckon the reason it wasn’t shown to the referee is because those adjudicating never looked at that angle before coming to their decision. I’m sure they probably would have shown it and disallowed the goal if they had.It’s only when they show a goal on the main site from every angle that you appreciate how many angles there are, so the questions really are whose camera captured that image and why can a panel of reviewers not see all angles before deciding?
VAR shows how corrupt the game has been for some time and if the Premier league is the same next year, please don't be, I'm done with football completely, I've never been so annoyed and disillusioned in 50odd years of watching the game, f**k u UEFA.
Barca, scum ,dippers and any other team that eufa deem as old school, if that had happened to them we know what would have happened the correct angle would have been found to justify them going through .no way that Raz goal is disallowed for offside if thats in front of the stretford end the kop end or wherever and in extra time it would be spun as a magnificent come back by the home team we all know it .
If I take my tinfoil helmet off for a minute, I reckon the reason it wasn’t shown to the referee is because those adjudicating never looked at that angle before coming to their decision. I’m sure they probably would have shown it and disallowed the goal if they had.It’s only when they show a goal on the main site from every angle that you appreciate how many angles there are, so the questions really are whose camera captured that image and why can a panel of reviewers not see all angles before deciding?
Yes, it would have been ruled out. The ref shrugged before he stepped away from the screen and then tapped his hip, so it's quite obvious it was because he wasn't able to get a view on the contact with the elbow.Even if he had been shown that angle confirming it hit his hand first, would he have given it as handball? By the laws of the game is that hand ball?
It’s quite simple, they wanted it to stand.......as the headlines say this morning ‘ Spurs prove it’s not all about money’ . We are hated, take your pick of reasons.