Var debate 2019/20

[urban genie]

It isn't. We can't complain the decisions

It was last night, we can

 

[SB Blue]

The Aguero goal gets ruled out by VAR at ANY GROUND IN WORLD FOOTBALL. Get a grip.

It’s clearly offside and isn’t subjective.

Has anyone seen the official VAR offside picture? Can’t see it posted? Watching on BEIN sports I found it odd that they showed this for the dippers first goal at halftime to show Mane was onside, all the Aguero ones were just freeze frames with no lines. Seemed such a tight call considering Aguero was coming away from goal

 

[Gabriel]

Is it not more likely that BT send the footage for review to adjudicators and they send that to the refs screen. Meaning it was still BT choosing the angles?

No idea. However, the fact that nobody seems to know the answer is concern enough for me. Let's say, for the purposes of this discussion, that there are twenty camera angles of the game, well the viewer (in the ground or elsewhere) should know that there are that many angles and that they have all been taken into consideration when making a decision. Last night, UEFA dropped one, and no club, not even Spurs, should shrug that off with 'it is what it is', as it will only happen again.

 

[mancity1]

I hope everyone who wanted VAR in is happy. No VAR. we win that amazing game with an unbelievable last min goal.

Officialdom incompetence pure and simple , many camera angles to look at all of which must be made available to the VAR ref.

No more should we see a ref have to look at a replay that shows very little of what actually happened , leave it up to VAR.

Take a leaf out of cricket or NFL FFS , this incident and many others should make it obvious why the decision should be taken out of the hands of the person officiating the game.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

Has anyone seen the official VAR offside picture? Can’t see it posted? Watching on BEIN sports I found it odd that they showed this for the dippers first goal at halftime to show Mane was onside, all the Aguero ones were just freeze frames with no lines. Seemed such a tight call considering Aguero was coming away from goal

It was offside. As much as we want Aguero to be onside he was a fraction off.

 

[Gabriel]

Even if he had been shown that angle confirming it hit his hand first, would he have given it as handball? By the laws of the game is that hand ball?

I suspect it would have been ruled out. I had only seen the other angles, those initially shown, and had resigned myself to it being a legitimate goal. IN the sobering morning and even in the heat of the moment, that one angle shows it should have been ruled out. It's not bad luck but a poorly managed and poorly explained system.

 

[Plmokn]

Why can't we hear the ref and the var official at this time? That would clear up a few of the conspiracy theories. Also, make sure the ref sees at least 3 camera angles of the goal.

Now i've seen the other camera angle we have been robbed of a fair decision.
Sick to see it and know it wasn't seen by the ref. Bit like Henry's hand ball for the French against Ireland. Feeling as bad as they must have felt.

 

[Paul1970]

This game was lost last week. Pep is a great manager but he fucked up big time . Rather win the league tbh but that is going to be difficult as well so maybe we might have to settle for 2 domestics this season . When you concede 3 goals at home you don’t deserve to go through truth be told

 

[Gabriel]

Officialdom incompetence pure and simple , many camera angles to look at all of which must be made available to the VAR ref.

No more should we see a ref have to look at a replay that shows very little of what actually happened , leave it up to VAR.

Take a leaf out of cricket or NFL FFS , this incident and many others should make it obvious why the decision should be taken out of the hands of the person officiating the game.

But surely the point is that the referee made the correct call based on the angle(s) he was repeatedly shown. It wasn't his incompetence that led to the wrong decision but that of those who disregarded (assuming they had access to that one angle) the view of one particular camera behind the goal. If there are 20 cameras covering the game, but those operating VAR predetermine only to view 10, then more such errors inevitably await.

 

[mancity1]

No idea. However, the fact that nobody seems to know the answer is concern enough for me. Let's say, for the purposes of this discussion, that there are twenty camera angles of the game, well the viewer (in the ground or elsewhere) should know that there are that many angles and that they have all been taken into consideration when making a decision. Last night, UEFA dropped one, and no club, not even Spurs, should shrug that off with 'it is what it is', as it will only happen again.

Couldn't agree more Gab, and quite frankly the decision should be taken out of the refs hand anyway , he was pointing to his hip when shrugging away the protests from Mendy and Co , all the players that saw the incident knew it was handball.

One must assume he never got decent enough footage to show it had come off his forearm.

He might still have ruled it a goal we will never know but that was taken away from us last night.

Those sort of decisions can cost managers jobs through no fault of their own.

Pathetic officialdom for such an important game.

 

[s1ty m]

https://www.givemesport.com/1469129...-city-slowed-down-footage-emerges?autoplay=on

This is handball.

 

[Sky Blue]

But surely the point is that the referee made the correct call based on the angle(s) he was repeatedly shown. It wasn't his incompetence that led to the wrong decision but that of those who disregarded (assuming they had access to that one angle) the view of one particular camera behind the goal. If there are 20 cameras covering the game, but those operating VAR predetermine only to view 10, then more such errors inevitably await.

Glenn Hoddle working the camera.

 

[FCBarca]

Finest margins. Shame really, clearly off the elbow on one particular angle which I believe they had but the Turk seemed to fixated on the other two angles where it was not visible. I thought similar about the VAR review on the Juventus claims of Blind handling the ball late in their match - no different than the one that saw United go through over PSG yet VAR says it wasn't. Definitely VAR helps make the game more just but equally there are aspects to improve

 

[meeesh]

This game was lost last week. Pep is a great manager but he fucked up big time . Rather win the league tbh but that is going to be difficult as well so maybe we might have to settle for 2 domestics this season . When you concede 3 goals at home you don’t deserve to go through truth be told

So which one was it ? Last week or last night ? You mention both there,I'd say last week as well for the record

 

[lonestay]

Baptist I agree that augero is offside but my point is a way would have been found to justify it if that's Messi and Barca have done what city did last night .

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Looked to us as if Aguero had a good call for a pen in second half but ref just dismissed this. Why didn't VAR look at that call?

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

The use of VAR in rugby is brilliant as they view every available single angle and TV viewers are able to hear what’s being said as well as all replays shown in the ground. If it can happen in rugby then why not in football given all the money in the game that isn’t in rugby. If it is going to be used then use it properly. The fact he was told to review it on the monitor surely suggests that someone had seen something not quite right.

 

[kinkyblue]

I haven’t seen the offside decision replayed. At the game I thought a spurs player played the ball and it hit silva then went to Serg. Is this still offside?

 

[mancity1]

This game was lost last week. Pep is a great manager but he fucked up big time . Rather win the league tbh but that is going to be difficult as well so maybe we might have to settle for 2 domestics this season . When you concede 3 goals at home you don’t deserve to go through truth be told

Look we could have won 7-3 and you could say the same if we lost 4-0 in the reverse leg.

Its not a question of how many you concede but how may you score or the final result.

Away goals rule is old hat now and should be scrapped anyway if its level on goals after tow legs play 30 minutes extra plus penalties and have a more equitable outcome.

We didn't lose it last week albeit a result we didn't need we lost it over two legs due to away goals rule in force and poor officialdom.

IMO we were the better side over the two legs by some margin but that doesn't always mean you go through.

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

AS’s resident referee Iturralde González commented: ”It hits his hand first then his hip and the UEFA instructions are clear: you can't score if it hits your hand, even if it’s involuntary. It doesn't matter if the elbow is tight to the body. If it happens to a defender it's not a penalty, but if it's an attacker it has to be disallowed. Rossetti has told the UEFA referees.”

He added: "Irrati (the VAR) - the number one VAR official - advises Çakir because he's seen a hand. When Çakir comes back from seeing the images he tells the players 'I didn't see anything. It hit his thigh.' They didn't play him the view from behind where you can see it hits the elbow. The error from the VAR is not showing the two key images. Why? The question is getting it right, not how long it takes."

AS’s resident ref's conclusion: "Manchester City are out because the VAR wasn't used properly".