UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[waspish]

Said it year ago that our club was to soft on the media should gone in hard on them early and this media agenda wouldnt be happening you keep bending over you keep getting it.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Said it year ago that our club was to soft on the media should gone in hard on them early and this media agenda wouldnt be happening you keep bending over you keep getting it.

The problem was it was early doors for us and we really couldn't go in all guns blazing, that period has now well and truly past we are now a behemoth and the time is now right to start putting a few of these muck throwers on their arses, I look forward to this and have no doubt we will come out the other end victorious

 

[M12Blue]

The problem was it was early doors for us and we really couldn't go in all guns blazing, that period has now well and truly past we are now a behemoth and the time is now right to start putting a few of these muck throwers on their arses, I look forward to this and have no doubt we will come out the other end victorious

I wouldn’t hold your breath for that one. We will not fight and win against the media. Type allegedly in the article and they’re safe as houses.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

I wouldn’t hold your breath for that one. We will not fight and win against the media. Type allegedly in the article and they’re safe as houses.

I'm not really on about the media, UEFA and its cronies are who I'm hoping we will be gunning for, time for talking is over, I would love to see us burn the fucking lot down....fuck UEFA and fuck the champions league...

 

[M12Blue]

I'm not really on about the media, UEFA and its cronies are who I'm hoping we will be gunning for, time for talking is over, I would love to see us burn the fucking lot down....fuck UEFA and fuck the champions league...

Don’t disagree with that

 

[Marvin]

The problem was it was early doors for us and we really couldn't go in all guns blazing, that period has now well and truly past we are now a behemoth and the time is now right to start putting a few of these muck throwers on their arses, I look forward to this and have no doubt we will come out the other end victorious

I don't think so. Details of the UEFA investigation may have been leaked, and we wanted to make that very clear as it undermines the UEFA enquiry which maybe significant later.
I don't think it marks any general change.

 

[Marvin]

I'm not really on about the media, UEFA and its cronies are who I'm hoping we will be gunning for, time for talking is over, I would love to see us burn the fucking lot down....fuck UEFA and fuck the champions league...

We did it on the pitch. Some journalists and commentators have a lot of malign words to say about City. I don't really want my football club to have a dialogue with these people. I am just happy to see City win the trophies.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Now, that must be untrue. They're too pure of spirit for that.

Added a bit of crap about this subject on my blog too. That and Pearce's unbroken record.

And if you want to see fairness, then compare the other 17 Premier League clubs, the multitude of top level European clubs and see where we’re at. Is better marketing allowed too?

And, to read further Colin Savage (Prestwich OSC) at Bolts From The Blue has it spot on. It is my understanding that right now, one board, kind of preparation court has to prepare a case with recommendations. It must have solid evidence. There is also the fact that the financial fair play cases being pushed by Belgian lawyer Jean-Louis Dupont has yet to be concluded. UEFA’s slippery net is at full risk of crashing and burning. The E.U. and Belgian courts may kick it over to a court in Switzerland. Would you trust a place that hoarded gold from dubious piles of ruins arund the late 1940’s. Oh, and they only let women race and vote as late as the ’70’s. Look up the Swiss Verdingkinder and you’ll probably understand that fairness is far from a national trait. Switzerland is ranked one of the top 5 nations to export weaponry. Now look up how few factories they have capable of such a thing, and how few soldiers that they have. Don’t count the noble Swiss Army Knife. Saudi Arabia and the Ukrainian armed forces are up as much to benefit from Switzerland as UEFA is. The battle for fair play could equally take place in another nation.

If a case ever gets presented, who will it affect? The fans. Of course, the fans that nobody cares less about these days. The agents will still find ways to make money. The clubs will lose some trade and opportunity. The clubs and their hostories may be tainted. Juventus came out of their demotion smelling of rose. Ronaldo’s rape allegations weren’t treated seriously. Wayne Rooney was destroyed by papers following an affair, or visit to an elder lady of the night. The Heysel disaster saw 14 Liverpool F.C. fans convicted of manslaughter, and many more labeled as thugs. It tainted UEFA’s history in international competitions and promptly banned English clubs for five years (six years for Liverpool F.C.). Around 39 people died that day. UEFA, the Belgian police force and Liverpool F.C. continued on.

UEFA and any external independent legal team will have to consider the impact and consequences of any punishment. Just like disasters and the investigations that follow them, this will drag on. It will ruin football for the fans. It will be bitter and painful, but at least no lives have been lost – and no ruthlessly banded phrases used. Even of that club’s fans chuck potential death-causing smoke bombs at an enclosed coach full of people, or other such facial damaging glass bottles.

I disagree with any fans using the “always a victim” tagline when referring to Liverpool F.C. It is dishonest and stupid to say so. The Hillsborough disaster was a low point in football history. 96 people died. Justice has yet to be found, despite 30 years of court actions. Just like the Bradford City stadium fire that claimed 56 people, these were disasters brought about by those above and those in control of stadia and their management. It is too easy to blame fans. It is tasteless to associate the death of many in this way. I urge anyone crying the words “always a victim” to play the shocking videos on YouTube on to reach their inner humanity. Don’t be a knobhead.

Surely, if you restrict Forest Green Rovers from buying multiple players and building a 60,000 seater stadium to allow them to grow and one day compete with the Premier League clubs, then you restrict the evolution of football. Where are the original football league clubs now? Are they all equal? Can new clubs like M.K. Dons form? Isn’t it more important to back ambition and make clubs more self-sufficient. If a club can develop a pool of 200 players in a decade, it is unlikely they will all make it. They need places to go. Partnerships and deals need to be done. Just like marketing. Sheikh Mansour and Etihad are unrelated yet it would be foolish to think the two don’t have indirect influence over one or the other. If I was Queen Elizabeth II and I owned Reading F.C., whilst I owned Weetabix, but did not manage or influence them, I’d be pleased if Weetabix wanted to sponsor my Reading F.C. club. In City’s case UEFA have already accepted fair market value for all the sponsorship by Etihad but Aabar and Etisalat remain under question.

The issue of FFP, the NY Times, Liverpool FC and all others are intertwined right now. I know I started to go off on tangents but thats how the issue is discussed across the media. And, with little heart or support.

Don’t panic. Don’t worry. As Colin Savage mentions:

“It also could be that a journalist has completely misrepresented and sensationalised what they’ve been told. That wouldn’t be the first time that has happened.”

The 'always a victim' thing has nothing to do with that incident & everything to do with every other incident these bleating, horrible fucking twats are involved with.

They are fucking pathetic wankers & seek to be 'victims' in every possible way they can find.

They are doing it again now.

Right now, they are positioning themselves as the 'victims' of City's dislike, & gradually airbrushing out their scandallous attack on our team bus.

They can just fuck off.

Always The Victims.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

We did it on the pitch. Some journalists and commentators have a lot of malign words to say about City. I don't really want my football club to have a dialogue with these people. I am just happy to see City win the trophies.

That's great but some of us are sick to death of the shit being thrown at us from all angles, and it starts with Uefa
I would love nothing more than to see us have our day in court with Uefa, then FFP would be shown to be the scam it is to the whole world even those who know but can't see past their allegiances wouldn't have an argument then

 

[Odd socks]

Think of the consequence of a ban for us, these dippers and rags haven't thought it through have they.
Domestically without the chumps league we will dominate both cups and the league points record will be in danger as we will no longer have games every 3/4 days.
We are fantastic now and other than crap refs would I believe be winning the quadruple.
Uefa making us out to be cheating without actually saying as much is tarnishing our good name, so ban us then.
I think the media and other supporters better be careful what they wish for as a competition without us while we dominate will make it weaker and no matter who won it they will always doubt the validity of it without us.
Change our perception before we turn into bleating victims, in or out we don't care uefa it will effect you just as much as us.

 

[hello]

They never even broke ground. They got a few sketches drawn up and maybe mowed the grass at the site but that’s it. 50m quid and nothing even came of it. Is that not dodgy as fuck ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Park_Stadium

Where did £50m go ?

removal of used stanley knifes?

 

[Neville Kneville]

Think of the consequence of a ban for us, these dippers and rags haven't thought it through have they.
Domestically without the chumps league we will dominate both cups and the league points record will be in danger as we will no longer have games every 3/4 days.
We are fantastic now and other than crap refs would I believe be winning the quadruple.
Uefa making us out to be cheating without actually saying as much is tarnishing our good name, so ban us then.
I think the media and other supporters better be careful what they wish for as a competition without us while we dominate will make it weaker and no matter who won it they will always doubt the validity of it without us.
Change our perception before we turn into bleating victims, in or out we don't care uefa it will effect you just as much as us.

Bring through a few young players, aquire transfer targets for a crack at their CL when we get back in.

Pep may decide to sign an even longer deal to rebuild & win it.

Go for it.

 

[Mike Brock]

The 'always a victim' thing has nothing to do with that incident & everything to do with every other incident these bleating, horrible fucking twats are involved with.

They are fucking pathetic wankers & seek to be 'victims' in every possible way they can find.

They are doing it again now.

Right now, they are positioning themselves as the 'victims' of City's dislike, & gradually airbrushing out their scandallous attack on our team bus.

They can just fuck off.

Always The Victims.

They were making Mane out as the victim when he kicked Ederson in the face.
Vile ****s

 

[Mike Brock]

They were making Mane out as the victim when he kicked Ederson in the face.
Vile ****s

Oh I can’t say ****s. Ok, Vile twats

 

[Andrew___K]

I don't think so. Details of the UEFA investigation may have been leaked, and we wanted to make that very clear as it undermines the UEFA enquiry which maybe significant later.
I don't think it marks any general change.

Yup, all this glorious talk about 'gloves off' and 'all guns blazing' is baseless. Nothing in CFG's short history suggests they are going to take a more active/aggressive approach.

It could be a right strategy in the long run, but those expecting an open fight with UEFA, G4 and biased British media are going to be disappointed. And does it make sense for an UAE representative to have an open confrontation with European sharks like Agnelli and co? Looks like Khaldoon thinks it doesn't. I reckon he'll take another 'pinch' if needed. That's how he operates - wisely or 'cowardly', you decide.

 

[paulchapo]

The 'always a victim' thing has nothing to do with that incident & everything to do with every other incident these bleating, horrible fucking twats are involved with.

They are fucking pathetic wankers & seek to be 'victims' in every possible way they can find.

They are doing it again now.

Right now, they are positioning themselves as the 'victims' of City's dislike, & gradually airbrushing out their scandallous attack on our team bus.

They can just fuck off.

Always The Victims.

They know, we know and the football world knows exactly what that song is about. The staff/players singing it, many don't have English as their first language and hear it from the stands they won't get the words spot on. For a start Kompany didn't injure Salah he got a yellow for fouling him. Ramos injured Salah. The song is a mockery of them failing in Kiev and being battered in the streets just slotted in, I have no idea if that actually happened in Kiev and it certainly isn't referring to the Irish bloke who got put in a coma at Anfield. They hate it when the humour comes back at them but when they do it its, "Just a laugh la, chill out!" Like when they smashed the players coach up. Vile horrible fuckers I now see why the rags hated them so much.

 

[LeeJay]

Think of the consequence of a ban for us, these dippers and rags haven't thought it through have they.
Domestically without the chumps league we will dominate both cups and the league points record will be in danger as we will no longer have games every 3/4 days.
We are fantastic now and other than crap refs would I believe be winning the quadruple.
Uefa making us out to be cheating without actually saying as much is tarnishing our good name, so ban us then.
I think the media and other supporters better be careful what they wish for as a competition without us while we dominate will make it weaker and no matter who won it they will always doubt the validity of it without us.
Change our perception before we turn into bleating victims, in or out we don't care uefa it will effect you just as much as us.

Great post :)

Am i right in thinking that Real Madrid and Barcalona are teams who 'made a complaint to UEFA' too?

Us dominating English football and not competing in Europe will do them a huge favor.

On our day, with a fully fit squad we are the best in Europe. Even with the injury woes that we have suffered this year, bar the handball (and offside) that put Spurs ahead we'd more than probably be going to Madrid too.

The anchor that this FFP issue is holding us back with must be demoralizing for the team and management, as well as the owners.

And i for one would be happy for Pep to tell UEFA to f*** right off and boycot the CL.

Lets win the PL back to back to back and show them what a real treble is, along with the FA and League cups, and boycot the corrupt bastard league in protest.

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Looking at the post some some pages ago that highlighted the Uefa rules on conflicts of interest (bluemeanster p55) discussing Sandor Csanyi who is a shareholder in the Hungarian group MOL group which has interests in oil and gas:

Sandor is a Hungarian billionaire businessman, banker, investor, philanthropist, specializing in finance.

He is the chairman and chief executive officer of OTP Bank Group, one of the largest financial groups in the CEE Region and the biggest bank of Hungary.

He is also shareholder and member of board of the Hungary based multinational oil and gas company, MOL Group.

MOL are a Hungarian Oil and Gas Company.

Members of MOL Group include among others the Croatian and Slovakian formerly state-owned oil and gas companies

In 2006 MOL and Gazprom signed a Cooperation Agreement and in line with this the two companies established a 50-50% joint project company. The aim of the company to examine the feasibility of gas supply pipelines across the east of Europe.

Gazprom is a large Russian company founded in 1989, which carries on the business of extraction, production, transport, and sale of natural gas. The company is majority owned by the Government of Russia.
It is also one of the main sponsors for the UEFA Champions League –

Is this not a Conflict of interest ?

Gazprom also sponsor Shalke FC who recently were awarded a controversial penalty via VAR in the last 16 of the Champions League against Manchester City when the system mysteriously failed to operate in the stadium.

He is Also Vice Chairman of the Board of Directors) European Board of Directors for MasterCard.

MasterCard being another main sponsor of the UEFA Champions League

Does MOL have any interests in seeing Sheikh Monsour suffer financially?

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

Yup, all this glorious talk about 'gloves off' and 'all guns blazing' is baseless. Nothing in CFG's short history suggests they are going to take a more active/aggressive approach.

It could be a right strategy in the long run, but those expecting an open fight with UEFA, G4 and biased British media are going to be disappointed. And does it make sense for an UAE representative to have an open confrontation with European sharks like Agnelli and co? Looks like Khaldoon thinks it doesn't. I reckon he'll take another 'pinch' if needed. That's how he operates - wisely or 'cowardly', you decide.

In some quarters it's called keeping your own counsel. In others, 'being a man', in still others, 'class'.
In the world at large, it's about emotional intelligence; owning your responsibilities and maintaining focus without letting the petty stories that we are all capable of creating distract you from your goals.

 

[Keeper!]

I would imagine the events of the last 24 hours will make HRH and Khaldoon Al Mubarak even more determined to make us the greatest club in world football.

I just hope we announce major signings as soon as the transfer window opens and the announcement of the building of the worlds greatest football stadium on the site next to the present Etihad.

F*** You UEFA

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Yup, all this glorious talk about 'gloves off' and 'all guns blazing' is baseless. Nothing in CFG's short history suggests they are going to take a more active/aggressive approach.

It could be a right strategy in the long run, but those expecting an open fight with UEFA, G4 and biased British media are going to be disappointed. And does it make sense for an UAE representative to have an open confrontation with European sharks like Agnelli and co? Looks like Khaldoon thinks it doesn't. I reckon he'll take another 'pinch' if needed. That's how he operates - wisely or 'cowardly', you decide.

I think going in swinging is the wrong strategy anyway.

The aim is surely to get on the right side of the people who run UEFA, and trying to bully them will be counter-productive to that end. UEFA pretty much had to investigate this, and are doing. As yet, there's no outcome and therefore no need to be heavy-handed.

If the club can convince UEFA that they are cooperating and on UEFA's side in UEFA vs 'G14', the long term benefit may be worth the current pain.