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simon23 said:
Mangala going for a few million...if he hadn't signed a new contract we would have lost him for free which surely would be bad business?
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He's not going to have signed the contract for free is he? He's probably on about £50k a week so a year is £2.6m ish. There's probably an accounting trick in there somewhere
 
ctid1894 said:
You’re talking absolute bollocks because the market has always had the odd exceptions (Ferdinand, Rooney, Veron, Zidane, Figo, Adriano, Ronaldo, Bale, Higuain, Owen down to the likes of Shearer etc...).

Stop trying to make out like this is a brand new thing when history proves it’s clearly bollocks.
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You just naming a bunch of record transfers proves my point though. Almost chronologically the values all increased and the rest of the market went with it each time. What leads you to believe this time will be different and prices will just magically fall in the next few years? If anything the huge TV money makes it even less likely to happen. Five years ago we could buy players off a team like Leicester without any issues because they couldn't turn down a big fee for a player like Maguire, now they have no need to sell whatsoever unless you pay over the odds. Spurs had no prayer of keeping Bale, now they have a new stadium and Kane locked down. Fulham got promoted and spent 100m.Theres tons of examples of money all over, and no reason to think the market inflation is temporary.
 
cjn said:
You just naming a bunch of record transfers proves my point though. Almost chronologically the values all increased and the rest of the market went with it each time. What leads you to believe this time will be different and prices will just magically fall in the next few years? If anything the huge TV money makes it even less likely to happen. Five years ago we could buy players off a team like Leicester without any issues because they couldn't turn down a big fee for a player like Maguire, now they have no need to sell whatsoever unless you pay over the odds. Spurs had no prayer of keeping Bale, now they have a new stadium and Kane locked down. Fulham got promoted and spent 100m.Theres tons of examples of money all over, and no reason to think the market inflation is temporary.
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16 transfers from ten or more years ago, 11 of which transfers were nearly twenty years ago. Proof beyond any doubt that the big money exceptions have always existed and will always exist, even when clubs didn’t have the TV rights, sponsorship and commercial partnership deals they have right now.

Ronaldo €84m 2009
Zidane €78m 2001
Ibrahimovic €70m 2009
Kaka €65m 2009
Figo €60m 2000
Crespo €55m 2000
Buffon €52m 2001
Veron €46m 2001
Ferdinand €46m 2002
Ronaldo €46m 2002
Shevchenko £43m 2006
Robinho €43m 2008
Costa €42m 2001
Thuram €42m 2001
Nedved €42m 2001
Overmars €41m 2000

Your ‘chronological’ point is absolute bollocks, absolute bullshit of the highest order. Otherwise why didn’t transfer fees of €40m+ become common place from 2000-2001 onwards? Exactly, they’re the exception to the rule just like the Neymar and Mbappe transfers of last summer. Between 2001 and 2009 (8 years) only one transfer eclipsed in 2006 broke the record. Again 2009 Ronaldo transfer world record wasn’t broken until by Bale in 2013 (4 years), which broken until Pogba 2016 (3years).

This is a weird year or two but history proves that the transfer market will settle down again, even though more money is constantly entering the game since 2001.
 
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ctid1894 said:
16 transfers from ten or more years ago, 11 of which transfers were nearly twenty years ago. Proof beyond any doubt that the big money exceptions have always existed and will always exist, even when clubs didn’t have the TV rights, sponsorship and commercial partnership deals they have right now.

Ronaldo €84m 2009
Zidane €78m 2001
Ibrahimovic €70m 2009
Kaka €65m 2009
Figo €60m 2000
Crespo €55m 2000
Buffon €52m 2001
Veron €46m 2001
Ferdinand €46m 2002
Ronaldo €46m 2002
Shevchenko £43m 2006
Robinho €43m 2008
Costa €42m 2001
Thuram €42m 2001
Nedved €42m 2001
Overmars €41m 2000

Your ‘chronological’ point is absolute bollocks, absolute bullshit of the highest order. Otherwise why didn’t transfer fees of €40m+ become common place from 2000-2001 onwards? Exactly, they’re the exception to the rule just like the Neymar and Mbappe transfers of last summer.
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I'm not really sure why I'm bothering if you're just going to jump on one word of my post and ignore the larger points, but you're actually trying to argue that transfer spending is going to decline significantly? Why?

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cjn said:
I'm not really sure why I'm bothering if you're just going to jump on one word of my post and ignore the larger points, but you're actually trying to argue that transfer spending is going to decline significantly? Why?

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Who said anything about declining?

Obviously general transfer fees will rise gradually as inflation kicks in and TV, sponsorship and commercial deals become more common and you get investors.

Your argument was regarding us matching the big money transfers and those big money transfers causing a significant shift in the market or do you conveniently not remember that part?
 
ctid1894 said:
Who said anything about declining?

Obviously general transfer fees will rise gradually as inflation kicks in and TV, sponsorship and commercial deals become more common and you get investors.

Your argument was regarding us matching the big money transfers and those big money transfers causing a significant shift in the market or do you conveniently not remember that part?
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I think you've misunderstood the point, have a good one though.
 
ctid1894 said:
Who said anything about declining?

Obviously general transfer fees will rise gradually as inflation kicks in and TV, sponsorship and commercial deals become more common and you get investors.

Your argument was regarding us matching the big money transfers and those big money transfers causing a significant shift in the market or do you conveniently not remember that part?
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You seem like a lovely and reasonable person
 
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cjn said:
I think you've misunderstood the point, have a good one though.
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Yet again more bollocks but we paid £22m for Lescott from Everton and £18m for Santa Cruz from Blackburn in 2009 and £24m for Milner from Villa in 2010 which was “way over the odds”, so make your mind up, as however you try to argue the market has changed there’s evidence to prove it hasn’t.
 
doobyedoobye said:
Bayern can't afford him
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Clubs tend to spend more money on forwards than defenders. Bayern have spent just shy of £70m on the left back Hernandez from Atletico Madrid. I think they can afford Sane if they really believe he's what they want.

If Sane still refuses to sign a contract extension then that will focus our minds.

Something around £90m seems possible.
 
Mancini Manus Domini said:
Clubs tend to spend more money on forwards than defenders. Bayern have spent just shy of £70m on the left back Hernandez from Atletico Madrid. I think they can afford Sane if they really believe he's what they want.

If Sane still refuses to sign a contract extension then that will focus our minds.

Something around £90m seems possible.
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We are in a very strong position and bearing in mind the role that Bayern could have played in terms of undermining our club I don't expect Khaldoon to sanction any deal below market value which is north of 100 million when compared to similar sales over the past 24 months
 
richards30 said:
Anything in all the Bruno Fernandes links guys? They haven’t gone away yet?
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Nope, club came out and said they are not true after guys like Sam Lee were saying we are in for him. They basically shut it down because they knew they were being dragged into a bidding battle where the club was trying to get United to pay out more.

We don’t want to look like mugs so united can say they got one over us
 
doobyedoobye said:
We are in a very strong position and bearing in mind the role that Bayern could have played in terms of undermining our club I don't expect Khaldoon to sanction any deal below market value which is north of 100 million when compared to similar sales over the past 24 months
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I dont buy into this "Market value & North of £100m as a starting point" nonsense. If we are prepared to sell him it will be for a good reason.

If we want him gone it will be to get him off the books asap and to save on his salary and to enable a timely purchase. Pep wont want to have a player who doesn't have his heart and soul in it.

I expect he will stay, but if he is sold, it will be to a price that gets him sold, not want fans think his value is.

Anyway, all ifs buts & maybes, lets see what pans out over the coming weeks
 
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BlueBrain said:
Nope, club came out and said they are not true after guys like Sam Lee were saying we are in for him. They basically shut it down because they knew they were being dragged into a bidding battle where the club was trying to get United to pay out more.

We don’t want to look like mugs so united can say they got one over us
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Does it matter what those fuckwits think, with the issues they have ?
 
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