It's Quiet 32 - enter at own risk

[Topbins]

Yep and if and when the young lad makes a balls up one game the same people will be crying saying he’s not good enough and we should get rid

Bravo never really had a chance. The media were on him from the start because Pep had the audacity to identify that Hart England's number one would not be an asset in the system the was looking to implement.

A fair few of the fans were bitter about this decision too not realising at the time it was the right decision.

Therefore it became a waiting game for the media and those fans unhappy about Harts departure.

A waiting game to scrutinise every mistake and villify the guy for every loss. I don't think the treatment Bravo received was personal to him, whoever took over from Hart would have got the same. This is not to say that Bravo has not been without blame he was partly.

However, he was hardly given much support in his first year and had no chance once the media news cycle had every mistake he made on a constant loop.

The media did not like that Pep came to City and were even more unhappy that Pep was putting two up to fingers to England's finest.

They wanted their pound of flesh and they got it with the help of are fans who were unable to suss out that undermining Bravo was the media's way into undermining Pep descions and that of the club.

I was hardly over the moon with Bravos performances ar rines, however, the context was that he kept net during that first transitional year when are team did not have a scobby do about the new system and took the season along with poor results to work it out.

Further take your pick out of the following, I may have missed one or two but 4 out of these players below generally lined up in front of Bravos in his year:
Clichy, Kolarov, Sagna, Komps, Ottamendi, Stones Zabeleta.

Kolarov started a fair few games at centre half as well as filling in on the left at times and Zabba and Clichy along with Sagna were the main fullbacks.

A further ageing maestro named Yaya Toure also played a fair few games in midfield.

Taking into account the above I'm no expert but I think it's a fair bet to say Pat Jennings, Peter Shilton and or Dino Zoff would have struggled at City in their first year never mind Bravo.

 

[Sir peace frog]

the problem with bravo was one of unluckiness imo,we dominated matches but would then concede to every shot,most of them being bravo being exposed by our defence and midfield,pep has adjusted our play we look more solid then we did in his first season, he didn't really make any clangers, but the fans lost confidence in him, which transmitted onto the pitch,our defence got nervous and so did bravo , he is a very good GK and never really let us down when he has played.

 

[Topbins]

the problem with bravo was one of unluckiness imo,we dominated matches but would then concede to every shot,most of them being bravo being exposed by our defence and midfield,pep has adjusted our play we look more solid then we did in his first season, he didn't really make any clangers, but the fans lost confidence in him, which transmitted onto the pitch,our defence got nervous and so did bravo , he is a very good GK and never really let us down when he has played.

You could have saved me 10 mins. Spot on. Nailed it.

 

[decmancity]

the problem with bravo was one of unluckiness imo,we dominated matches but would then concede to every shot,most of them being bravo being exposed by our defence and midfield,pep has adjusted our play we look more solid then we did in his first season, he didn't really make any clangers, but the fans lost confidence in him, which transmitted onto the pitch,our defence got nervous and so did bravo , he is a very good GK and never really let us down when he has played.

I think I had these same arguments a couple years back. I will probably need to watch back the goals we conceded that year but plenty seemed to be ones he could just do nothing about.

That stat of 9 goals conceded in 10 shots faced or whatever it was looks bad but if we conceded 10 shots in the year what can he do. He rarely had to make any saves because we had the ball so much, the one occasion we seemed to lose it we would be torn open and there was nothing he could do to stop it.

Ederson suffers a bit of the same, he either concedes worldies or just ones he can't do much about, you would probably see again that his shot to save ratio is lower than expected.

Compare the stats with someone like Pickford who at Sunderland conceded a ton of goals and shots but made about 100 saves a match, makes his stats look great and got everyone raving about his performances in the same year.

 

[CC1]

the problem with bravo was one of unluckiness imo,we dominated matches but would then concede to every shot,most of them being bravo being exposed by our defence and midfield,pep has adjusted our play we look more solid then we did in his first season, he didn't really make any clangers, but the fans lost confidence in him, which transmitted onto the pitch,our defence got nervous and so did bravo , he is a very good GK and never really let us down when he has played.

Spot on. Trouble is, some idiots love it when a player is targeted. I’ve listened to long term season ticket holders around me who can’t wait for a mistake so they can laugh & take the piss. It’s happened forever eg Bowyer ( who moved & won E Cup) Edgehill; even Goater was pilloried at first!

 

[CC1]

Bravo never really had a chance. The media were on him from the start because Pep had the audacity to identify that Hart England's number one would not be an asset in the system the was looking to implement.

A fair few of the fans were bitter about this decision too not realising at the time it was the right decision.

Therefore it became a waiting game for the media and those fans unhappy about Harts departure.

A waiting game to scrutinise every mistake and villify the guy for every loss. I don't think the treatment Bravo received was personal to him, whoever took over from Hart would have got the same. This is not to say that Bravo has not been without blame he was partly.

However, he was hardly given much support in his first year and had no chance once the media news cycle had every mistake he made on a constant loop.

The media did not like that Pep came to City and were even more unhappy that Pep was putting two up to fingers to England's finest.

They wanted their pound of flesh and they got it with the help of are fans who were unable to suss out that undermining Bravo was the media's way into undermining Pep descions and that of the club.

I was hardly over the moon with Bravos performances ar rines, however, the context was that he kept net during that first transitional year when are team did not have a scobby do about the new system and took the season along with poor results to work it out.

Further take your pick out of the following, I may have missed one or two but 4 out of these players below generally lined up in front of Bravos in his year:
Clichy, Kolarov, Sagna, Komps, Ottamendi, Stones Zabeleta.

Kolarov started a fair few games at centre half as well as filling in on the left at times and Zabba and Clichy along with Sagna were the main fullbacks.

A further ageing maestro named Yaya Toure also played a fair few games in midfield.

Taking into account the above I'm no expert but I think it's a fair bet to say Pat Jennings, Peter Shilton and or Dino Zoff would have struggled at City in their first year never mind Bravo.

Great post.

 

[Sir peace frog]

Spot on. Trouble is, some idiots love it when a player is targeted. I’ve listened to long term season ticket holders around me who can’t wait for a mistake so they can laugh & take the piss. It’s happened forever eg Bowyer ( who moved & won E Cup) Edgehill; even Goater was pilloried at first!

everyones an expert :)

 

[dachoosen1]

Bravo never really had a chance. The media were on him from the start because Pep had the audacity to identify that Hart England's number one would not be an asset in the system the was looking to implement.

A fair few of the fans were bitter about this decision too not realising at the time it was the right decision.

Therefore it became a waiting game for the media and those fans unhappy about Harts departure.

A waiting game to scrutinise every mistake and villify the guy for every loss. I don't think the treatment Bravo received was personal to him, whoever took over from Hart would have got the same. This is not to say that Bravo has not been without blame he was partly.

However, he was hardly given much support in his first year and had no chance once the media news cycle had every mistake he made on a constant loop.

The media did not like that Pep came to City and were even more unhappy that Pep was putting two up to fingers to England's finest.

They wanted their pound of flesh and they got it with the help of are fans who were unable to suss out that undermining Bravo was the media's way into undermining Pep descions and that of the club.

I was hardly over the moon with Bravos performances ar rines, however, the context was that he kept net during that first transitional year when are team did not have a scobby do about the new system and took the season along with poor results to work it out.

Further take your pick out of the following, I may have missed one or two but 4 out of these players below generally lined up in front of Bravos in his year:
Clichy, Kolarov, Sagna, Komps, Ottamendi, Stones Zabeleta.

Kolarov started a fair few games at centre half as well as filling in on the left at times and Zabba and Clichy along with Sagna were the main fullbacks.

A further ageing maestro named Yaya Toure also played a fair few games in midfield.

Taking into account the above I'm no expert but I think it's a fair bet to say Pat Jennings, Peter Shilton and or Dino Zoff would have struggled at City in their first year never mind Bravo.

I will support bravo as long as he is wearing the shirt and always have, I am happy he will be staying as number 2 as he knows peps style and that will be very useful in training. But if I am honest I would prefer muric to start if ederson is out. Bravo had a difficult first season the physicality of the league and what refs deem as fouls wasn't what he was used to and his small frame for a keeper left him at a disadvantage. Yes his defence left him exposed but he could have done much better.

 

[mosssideblue]

Bravo never really had a chance. The media were on him from the start because Pep had the audacity to identify that Hart England's number one would not be an asset in the system the was looking to implement.

A fair few of the fans were bitter about this decision too not realising at the time it was the right decision.

Therefore it became a waiting game for the media and those fans unhappy about Harts departure.

A waiting game to scrutinise every mistake and villify the guy for every loss. I don't think the treatment Bravo received was personal to him, whoever took over from Hart would have got the same. This is not to say that Bravo has not been without blame he was partly.

However, he was hardly given much support in his first year and had no chance once the media news cycle had every mistake he made on a constant loop.

The media did not like that Pep came to City and were even more unhappy that Pep was putting two up to fingers to England's finest.

They wanted their pound of flesh and they got it with the help of are fans who were unable to suss out that undermining Bravo was the media's way into undermining Pep descions and that of the club.

I was hardly over the moon with Bravos performances ar rines, however, the context was that he kept net during that first transitional year when are team did not have a scobby do about the new system and took the season along with poor results to work it out.

Further take your pick out of the following, I may have missed one or two but 4 out of these players below generally lined up in front of Bravos in his year:
Clichy, Kolarov, Sagna, Komps, Ottamendi, Stones Zabeleta.

Kolarov started a fair few games at centre half as well as filling in on the left at times and Zabba and Clichy along with Sagna were the main fullbacks.

A further ageing maestro named Yaya Toure also played a fair few games in midfield.

Taking into account the above I'm no expert but I think it's a fair bet to say Pat Jennings, Peter Shilton and or Dino Zoff would have struggled at City in their first year never mind Bravo.

I haven't previously agreed with some of the stuff you post but this is spot on, on every level.

New system still in infancy, many mistakes being made
Aging back 4 leaving him exposed far too often
Replacing Joe
Press wanting pep to fail
etc etc

 

[Phil1]

Bravo was finished as soon as Bill and Karen deemed him shite.

 

[Thorin Oakenshield]

Not really sure what you are asking but if Delph leaves, we are then able to sign Maguire (for example). We can only sign Maguire if one of Delph, Sterling, Stones or Walker leaves (obviously Delph).

What I meant was if Angelino comes and delph leaves do we still need another HG player? Does Angelino take his spot?

 

[mosssideblue]

Bravo was finished as soon as Bill and Karen deemed him shite.

Tis true

 

[TheThirdDeano]

Spot on. Trouble is, some idiots love it when a player is targeted. I’ve listened to long term season ticket holders around me who can’t wait for a mistake so they can laugh & take the piss. It’s happened forever eg Bowyer ( who moved & won E Cup) Edgehill; even Goater was pilloried at first!

Exactly this, that’s the problem with some match going fans.
Should have heard the lads near me about Dzeko!
One time one of them refused to celebrate a goal he scored out of sheer stubbornness.
Then again, the fact I jumped up and span around to goad him probably didn’t improve his mood

 

[CC1]

Exactly this, that’s the problem with some match going fans.
Should have heard the lads near me about Dzeko!
One time one of them refused to celebrate a goal he scored out of sheer stubbornness.
Then again, the fact I jumped up and span around to goad him probably didn’t improve his mood

Haha! Guess it’s part of football. As someone else said - everyone’s an expert!! I have always felt it’s important to support our players -,even more so when they’re having a bad time

 

[Sir peace frog]

I will support bravo as long as he is wearing the shirt and always have, I am happy he will be staying as number 2 as he knows peps style and that will be very useful in training. But if I am honest I would prefer muric to start if ederson is out. Bravo had a difficult first season the physicality of the league and what refs deem as fouls wasn't what he was used to and his small frame for a keeper left him at a disadvantage. Yes his defence left him exposed but he could have done much better.

in todays football bravo isn't that small, gone are the days of monster GK ,what's needed especially at city is fast intellegent footballing keepers to "sweep" behind the defence that has squeezed the play, bravo standing at 1.84m isn't much smaller that eddy ,kepa ,Allison ,all modern keepers

 

[Tricky_Trev]

What I meant was if Angelino comes and delph leaves do we still need another HG player? Does Angelino take his spot?

We wouldn’t NEED one, no. It’s not compulsory to have even one homegrown player. But if we didn’t have any we’d only have a squad of 17. To maximise our squad size we would want another HG player, yes, but if the price wasn’t right, we’d just carry on without.

 

[Topbins]

I will support bravo as long as he is wearing the shirt and always have, I am happy he will be staying as number 2 as he knows peps style and that will be very useful in training. But if I am honest I would prefer muric to start if ederson is out. Bravo had a difficult first season the physicality of the league and what refs deem as fouls wasn't what he was used to and his small frame for a keeper left him at a disadvantage. Yes his defence left him exposed but he could have done much better.

Point fully taken mate.

To be honest my greatest concern is that the fans don't get sucked into the media agenda designed to disrupt each new signing or player at are club.

Fair enough Bravo may have contributed in part but there is a whole context which the media and or some of us don't take into account.
Not an exact comparison but look at John Stones for instance. Prior to coming to City all we had from the media and the pundits is that hes always got a mistake in him and he weren't worth the money.

Since Pep sorted out the fullbacks and brought in what we needed at CB, I can't think of one mistake that lad has made that has led to us losing a game and if there is one it hardly means he is crap.

Yet he makes one mistake at the Nations league and the pundits and media are in for him big even suggesting along with are own fans that he is not good enough for City on the back of that one mistake.

What one mistake in the Nations league has got to do with his performances for City, is beyond me, particularly when he has played for City he's been absolutely fine which a 100 point and 98 point season proves.

Fair enough if fans want to dig out are own it may even be justifiable a lot of the time. However, the real issue for me is that we don't unwittingly peddle lazy deliberate tropes designed to unsettle are players fans and the club.

 

[St.Pauli support]

Concerning Bravo I would like to add the human side of the situation.

He is 36, last year at City ahead, wife and 3 school kids in Manchester.
I think Pep will give him this last year and let the family go where ever they want afterwards.
Muric should go on loan to get minutes and come back afterwards as a club-trained home grown second keeper.

Pep won't put pressure on Bravo to kick him out, we will respect his last year.
If there are insury issues about Bravo we have to adjust, simply.

 

[Silvercloud]

Exactly this, that’s the problem with some match going fans.
Should have heard the lads near me about Dzeko!
One time one of them refused to celebrate a goal he scored out of sheer stubbornness.
Then again, the fact I jumped up and span around to goad him probably didn’t improve his mood

Every block has at least one. In 109 there was a bloke, mid to late 40's who did nothing but moan at Walker & Zinchenko. All footballers are prone to mistakes, they all make them but if you listened to this bloke, we had the worlds worst full backs that wouldn't have made it in our 80/90s teams.

 

[ctid1894]

Point fully taken mate.

To be honest my greatest concern is that the fans don't get sucked into the media agenda designed to disrupt each new signing or player at are club.

Fair enough Bravo may have contributed in part but there is a whole context which the media and or some of us don't take into account.
Not an exact comparison but look at John Stones for instance. Prior to coming to City all we had from the media and the pundits is that hes always got a mistake in him and he weren't worth the money.

Since Pep sorted out the fullbacks and brought in what we needed at CB, I can't think of one mistake that lad has made that has led to us losing a game and if there is one it hardly means he is crap.

Yet he makes one mistake at the Nations league and the pundits and media are in for him big even suggesting along with are own fans that he is not good enough for City on the back of that one mistake.

What one mistake in the Nations league has got to do with his performances for City, is beyond me, particularly when he has played for City he's been absolutely fine which a 100 point and 98 point season proves.

Fair enough if fans want to dig out are own it may even be justifiable a lot of the time. However, the real issue for me is that we don't unwittingly peddle lazy deliberate tropes designed to unsettle are players fans and the club.

You seem to be more concerned with what the media thinks than the majority of our (not are) fans are (not our), just saying.