Well, unless you're speaking for the whole 16.2m that voted for remain, it is also pertinent to point
out that a good proportion of that number only voted how they did, because they were terrified of
the immediate 10% tax rise, the good possibility of their being one of the soon to be legion of the newly
unemployed, and the country going into recession. All this was forecast by the Government, Chancellor, and
head of the bank of England, plus many other prominent figures as an immediate aftermath.
The point is, all the dissection and analysis of who voted what, where, why and how, has come from the remain side.Indeed. I'm not the one claiming that people not necessarily knowing what they were voting for is "a fabrication" though.
800 working for my lot with another 500 told to move to Dublin or Frankfurt if they wanted to keep their jobs. Another 6k possibly on the horizon. Japanese companies don't take uncertainty and being bullshitted by politicians with soundbites well.Which if we leave with No Deal, can certainly still happen.
In fact it can happen even if we take the Withdrawal Agreement.
There’s good chance that many of my colleagues will be made redundant in the aftermath of a No Deal. I might be alright but there will be at least a few that will be, given the fact I work in recruitment and our industry always takes the first hit whenever the country faces economic problems.
Also - people have been made redundant since 2016 and we’ve not even left yet.
These are people’s lives being destroyed and for what exactly? So we can go from being a partner in the EU to the US’s lapdog.800 working for my lot with another 500 told to move to Dublin or Frankfurt if they wanted to keep their jobs. Another 6k possibly on the horizon. Japanese companies don't take uncertainty and being bullshitted by politicians with soundbites well.
Well tbf, Frankfurt is less of a kip than London so those will be better off in the long run.These are people’s lives being destroyed and for what exactly? So we can go from being a partner in the EU to the US’s lapdog.
For me though that is, at best, only as valid as me saying that we are just back to you saying that you do not think that it is an inevitable outcome, despite the weight of evidence clearly supporting that non-comformity is increasingly a thing of the past and the very limited future.If intent = inevitability then we would have exited the EU by now. We are still back to, you believe it’s inevitable in your judgement despite the evidence of non conformity up until now. You might be right about all of this but it’s still a step too far to say into inevitable.
We have now turned full circle, from about a month after the referendum, when the same predictionsWhich if we leave with No Deal, can certainly still happen.
In fact it can happen even if we take the Withdrawal Agreement.
There’s good chance that many of my colleagues will be made redundant in the aftermath of a No Deal. I might be alright but there will be at least a few that will be, given the fact I work in recruitment and our industry always takes the first hit whenever the country faces economic problems.
Also - people have been made redundant since 2016 and we’ve not even left yet.
We have now turned full circle, from about a month after the referendum, when the same predictions
were discussed. If's, could be's and possibly's.
Employment has risen considerably after the vote.
To describe a rise of about 400,000 in employment as utter bullshit doesn't help this argument one bit.No we haven’t, we’ve not even left the EU yet.
Employment is utter bullshit and manipulated by the Tories. What has really happened is that we went from being in the top 3 for fastest growing economy in the EU to being 2nd bottom to Italy. That’s 24 places we moved in the wrong direction, within the space of 18 months.
Yes it was exaggerated and no the vote itself didn’t put a big as a dent as predicted but what is going to happen when companies actually have much higher tariffs?
The comparison to aftermath of the vote in 2016 to actually leaving is ridiculous and it’s a tiny fraction of the damage that could happen, especially if/when we leave with no deal.
To describe a rise of about 400,000 in employment as utter bullshit doesn't help this argument one bit.
One of the issues facing the remain argument is a lack of honesty and transparency in this respect. Since the promised emergency budget, house price crash and famine of the 24 June 2016 failed to materialise it has become the norm to dismiss any economic good news as lies or as happening 'despite brexit', while any economic bad news is eagerly seized upon as 'because of brexit' as some sort of see - I told you so way. This is every bit as disingenuous as the 350m on the side of a bus that leavers keep getting told they voted for.To describe a rise of about 400,000 in employment as utter bullshit doesn't help this argument one bit.
I work in employment. The rise in employment is manipulated to fit targets.
Everyone who isn’t on job seekers is counted in this figure, it’s one of the least reliable figures quoted by the government, if not the least.
Here are the official figures, first one from the Government.I work in employment. The rise in employment is manipulated to fit targets.
Everyone who isn’t on job seekers is counted in this figure, it’s one of the least reliable figures quoted by the government, if not the least.
Indeed.One of the issues facing the remain argument is a lack of honesty and transparency in this respect. Since the promised emergency budget, house price crash and famine of the 24 June 2016 failed to materialise it has become the norm to dismiss any economic good news as lies or as happening 'despite brexit', while any economic bad news is eagerly seized upon as 'because of brexit' as some sort of see - I told you so way. This is every bit as disingenuous as the 350m on the side of a bus that leavers keep getting told they voted for.
One of the issues facing the remain argument is a lack of honesty and transparency in this respect. Since the promised emergency budget, house price crash and famine of the 24 June 2016 failed to materialise it has become the norm to dismiss any economic good news as lies or as happening 'despite brexit', while any economic bad news is eagerly seized upon as 'because of brexit' as some sort of see - I told you so way. This is every bit as disingenuous as the 350m on the side of a bus that leavers keep getting told they voted for.
Yet you would use the exact same figures if they showed a rise in unemployment after any brexit and shout told you so.
Fair is fair here ;-)
Here are the official figures, first one from the Government.
If you don't believe that, the ONS is below. As you're in recruitment, I would imagine you're familiar
with them, they are independent of government.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/employment-rate-remains-at-record-high
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes
So the ONS manipulate statistics, OK.I have just told you that those figures are manipulated. They include those on disability benefits into them, as well as those not regularly working on zero hour contracts.
It’s not a measurement of the strength of the economy since 2016 - the economy has slowed following a period of record growth.
.....all because of brexit (which hasn't happened yet)Yeah because transparency and honesty has been the hallmark of Brexiteer claims. Jeez.
Pound is at $1.25. PMI has dropped 5 points in a year and foreign investment (new and expansions) has fallen again this year and the DTI are struggling to roll over EU FTA deals because other countries aren’t stupid. The U.K. economy has a slow steady leak but yeah Remain arguments are the problem.
Also no one is arguing for Brexit on the basis of the economy. It’s now about saving face and reminding people that we survived two world wars so casualties are inevitable.