Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

A lot of people would think that the journalist was only doing her job - no?

And re Tice - given the journalist has said:
“Richard had nothing to do with the cables. He has never seen them, never handled them and was not involved in acquiring them."

“Tempting though it is to put two and two together to make 55, there is no link between him and the ambassador story.”

Are you and others, not in danger of jumping to conclusions?

No. A journalist (using the word loosely) who sat on emails linking Arron Banks to Russian officials and businessmen. Ghost-writer for Arron Banks. As she says, "My work speaks for itself".

“Richard had nothing to do with the cables. He has never seen them, never handled them and was not involved in acquiring them." So - what did he know, and when did he know it?

Oakeshott is reportedly suing the Guardian for John Crace's Parliamentary sketch about last Monday's debate. The original print text had that she only gets a scoop if Farage or Banks "leave it under her pillow" - and she apparently retweeted this alleged defamation about herself.

The Crace online article has been amended, to "if he or Arron Banks leave it conveniently to one side for her". (Some websites - and I'm not sure if this is true, you'd have to read the original print version rather than the one in the retweet - say the original line was that she only "gets a scoop if Nigel or Arron Banks slips it to her.”)

Conclusion? Who benefits? The leaker has leaked them to someone "close to" the chairman of the Brexit Party, and he then goes public suggesting the new ambassador should be a pro-Brexit businessman (like him or Farage?).

For the record, Crace's sketch cites SNP MP Stephen Gethins as a source for his quip, but neither that nor half the other stuff seems to have been said in the chamber, including the "Thousand-year Brexit" attributed to Bill Cash. Let's just say that Crace likes "reading between the lines".
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-gives-mps-chance-to-enjoy-a-bit-of-deploring

 

[BlueHammer85]

Only a matter of time before they’re as irrelevant as UKIP.

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The Brexit Party surge is fading, according to an exclusive BMG Research opinion poll for The Independent.

The poll puts the Conservatives and Labourneck and neck on 28 per cent and 27 per cent respectively, if a general election were held today, with the Liberal Democrats on 18 per cent and Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party on 14 per cent.

 

[hgblue]

Only a matter of time before they’re as irrelevant as UKIP.

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The Brexit Party surge is fading, according to an exclusive BMG Research opinion poll for The Independent.

The poll puts the Conservatives and Labourneck and neck on 28 per cent and 27 per cent respectively, if a general election were held today, with the Liberal Democrats on 18 per cent and Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party on 14 per cent.

The Boris effect.

 

[Ban-jani]

A lot of people would think that the journalist was only doing her job - no?

And re Tice - given the journalist has said:
“Richard had nothing to do with the cables. He has never seen them, never handled them and was not involved in acquiring them."

“Tempting though it is to put two and two together to make 55, there is no link between him and the ambassador story.”

Are you and others, not in danger of jumping to conclusions?

I absolutely defend her right to publish whatever she wants and it is her job but journalists really need to have show more moral responsibility.

I may be jumping to conclusions but when there’s talk of Farage becoming the next ambassador and his Party Chairman’s lover is leaking stuff like this, you must admit it raises suspicion?

 

[dave_blue12]

I absolutely defend her right to publish whatever she wants and it is her job but journalists really need to have show more moral responsibility.

I may be jumping to conclusions but when there’s talk of Farage becoming the next ambassador and his Party Chairman’s lover is leaking stuff like this, you must admit it raises suspicion?

Oakeshott is not a journalist, she is a propagandist and should be treated as such.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I see Hammond is in full doom mongering mode again. You can't have firm remainers and appeasers like him in a government that promised to deliver Brexit.

 

[stonerblue]

Quite fit.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Well that sounds definitive and very reassuring. What were you listening to and who were "they"?

The BBC podcast ‘Brexit Cast’

 

[Blue Hefner]

I see Hammond is in full doom mongering mode again. You can't have firm remainers and appeasers like him in a government that promised to deliver Brexit.

I haven’t seen it but he might be right. We have a potential Prime Minister openly talking about closing businesses ‘with a heavy heart’ just to get this over the line

People can ‘believe’ in Brexit all they like but it’s a matter of fact that if tariffs are imposed due to ‘no-deal’ companies will go to the wall. You and others might think it’s worth it, but I don’t

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I see Hammond is in full doom mongering mode again. You can't have firm remainers and appeasers like him in a government that promised to deliver Brexit.

Appeasers? Ffs...

 

[Ban-jani]

I see Hammond is in full doom mongering mode again. You can't have firm remainers and appeasers like him in a government that promised to deliver Brexit.

Why don’t we just put a bunch of pill heads in there then so everyone is happy?

Brexit has now moved past the argument for trade deals and freedom, it’s moved onto emotion.

A sure sign it’s dead.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I absolutely defend her right to publish whatever she wants and it is her job but journalists really need to have show more moral responsibility.

I may be jumping to conclusions but when there’s talk of Farage becoming the next ambassador and his Party Chairman’s lover is leaking stuff like this, you must admit it raises suspicion?

It should raise suspicion, but since he's been accused of being in league with pretty much everyone from putin to neo nazis, it's probably going to suffer from 'the boy that cried wolf' effect.

 

[Ban-jani]

It should raise suspicion, but since he's been accused of being in league with pretty much everyone from putin to neo nazis, it's probably going to suffer from 'the boy that cried wolf' effect.

Only for you lot but then again you dismiss reality generally.

Not for the rest of us. We know exactly what he is and have his number.

 

[Blue Hefner]

I’ve read a few times on this thread about “the boy who cried wolf” - we are all aware how that story ended, aren’t we.......

 

[yerwot?]

I see Hammond is in full doom mongering mode again. You can't have firm remainers and appeasers like him in a government that promised to deliver Brexit.

The old ones are the best......" project fear, death of democracy, promises,". yadda yadda yadda. Hammond not appeasing the likes of BJ is a credit not an insult, unless your hatred of europe blinds you to reality, Hammond not joining the brexit lie-fest likewise, and also likewise his opinions will be ridiculed by the cliff-edgers. ding=dong

 

[blueinsa]

The old ones are the best......" project fear, death of democracy, promises,". yadda yadda yadda. Hammond not appeasing the likes of BJ is a credit not an insult, unless your hatred of europe blinds you to reality, Hammond not joining the brexit lie-fest likewise, and also likewise his opinions will be ridiculed by the cliff-edgers. ding=dong

You defending Hammond.....ding dong indeed lol

 

[Ban-jani]

I’ve read a few times on this thread about “the boy who cried wolf” - we are all aware how that story ended, aren’t we.......

Hahaha fucking brilliant.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Only for you lot but then again you dismiss reality generally.

Not for the rest of us. We know exactly what he is and have his number.

I'm intrigued as to this 'you lot' to which I apparently belong?

 

[blueinsa]

Only for you lot but then again you dismiss reality generally.

Not for the rest of us. We know exactly what he is and have his number.

I thought we had got past sweeping generalisations like this?

 

[Len Rum]

I see Hammond is in full doom mongering mode again. You can't have firm remainers and appeasers like him in a government that promised to deliver Brexit.

Yeah and the Civil Service.
In fact let's exclude Remainers from all walks of public life.
Been here before I think.