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£1.11 v the €
£1.24 V the $

That is not good. Expect for exporters who do not need to buy any of their goods from anywhere other than the UK(maybe Turkey it could work). Or people like me who invoice in $ or € and convert back to £ - but believe me, I am not someone to base the economy on

Is it worth it, really?
 
west didsblue said:
Another Brexit MEP on Newsnight ready to make a fortune out of No Deal by setting aside funds to buy distressed properties after an expected slump in the property market.
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And the Brexit Party MEP and ex Communications Lead at UKIP, Alexandra Phillips, who lied through her back teeth on Channel 4 News that she never worked for Cambridge Analytica and didn’t interfere with the Kenyan election a few years ago.

Does an interview saying she had absolutely no involvement with them and never worked for them and was out in Kenya to “help”. Threatens Channel 4 with her lawyer in the process.

A few hours later Channel 4 have got hold of a recording of her at the time stating she’s under contract with Cambridge Analytica, in Kenya, working on the election and she’s had to admit it and release a statement massively back tracking.

These people are utter charlatans and cretins. A bunch of cowboys have convinced a huge percentage of the British electorate they have their best interests at heart when it’s all for their own gain, and they’re going to make poor people worse off in the process.
 
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Ban-jani said:
Farage acting like a **** again in the European Parliament.

Also the pound plunged following Johnson and Hunt saying they wouldn’t go for a backstop at all, even with a time limit.

Grieve has said he’s going to try and bring down the government if either twat tries No Deal.

Feel like this is reaching a climax and Brexit will be binned, for the time being at least.
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There'll be another extension to allow the inevitable general election to take place. What happens afterwards obviously depends on the outcome of the election, but also on what the main parties commit to in their manifesto. The Tories will maintain the pretence that they're trying to get a deal but will try to get a mandate for no deal. I've no idea what Labour's manifesto will include.
 
cibaman said:
There'll be another extension to allow the inevitable general election to take place. What happens afterwards obviously depends on the outcome of the election, but also on what the main parties commit to in their manifesto. The Tories will maintain the pretence that they're trying to get a deal but will try to get a mandate for no deal. I've no idea what Labour's manifesto will include.
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I’m worried Labour will back another ref/remain and will split the Remain vote with the Libs.

But then again Farage may well split the Leave vote with Johnson.

Someone needs REVOKE in their manifesto and I reckon the Libs may take the risk to get in.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’m worried Labour will back another ref/remain and will split the Remain vote with the Libs.

But then again Farage may well split the Leave vote with Johnson.

Someone needs REVOKE in their manifesto and I reckon the Libs may take the risk to get in.
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I expect Corbyn will insist on "re-negotiation" being a central part of Labour's manifesto. But the issues then are: 1) what would be Labour's re-negotiation objectives? 2) would there be a referendum on any re-negotiated Labour deal? 3) if they offer a referendum on a Labour deal would Corbyn campaign to leave on the basis of the deal that he had negotiated?

I can't see how Labour will be able to agree on a manifesto that answers those questions.
 
cibaman said:
I expect Corbyn will insist on "re-negotiation" being a central part of Labour's manifesto. But the issues then are: 1) what would be Labour's re-negotiation objectives? 2) would there be a referendum on any re-negotiated Labour deal? 3) if they offer a referendum on a Labour deal would Corbyn campaign to leave on the basis of the deal that he had negotiated?

I can't see how Labour will be able to agree on a manifesto that answers those questions.
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According to last weeks communication they would renegotiate and then campaign against their own deal, confusing I know.

That’s why I hope the Libs come out and stick Revoke in the front of their manifesto and just clean up.
 
west didsblue said:
Another Brexit MEP on Newsnight ready to make a fortune out of No Deal by setting aside funds to buy distressed properties after an expected slump in the property market.
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I wouldn't be surprised that there are people making lots of money by currency speculating just before "announcements"by leading political figures.

The whole fucking thing has been turned into a con.
 
lust overlord said:
I wouldn't be surprised that there are people making lots of money by currency speculating just before "announcements"by leading political figures.

The whole fucking thing has been turned into a con.
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Been turned into? It was from the start. Did you not think that the bus slogan, or the artificial demonisation of migrants, or scores of other things were clearly conning people?
 
Ban-jani said:
According to last weeks communication they would renegotiate and then campaign against their own deal, confusing I know.

That’s why I hope the Libs come out and stick Revoke in the front of their manifesto and just clean up.
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Grieve is campaigning for second referendum. Remain vs no deal. He calls out every other option as a dead end based on a Johnson/Hunt PM, his reading of current likely votes in HoC, EU’s stated stance on renegotiation of the WA. The detail, and there is quite a bit is in th3 document I linked earlier on this page. I would have preferred a revoke but that’s unlikely given the two c**nts current rhetoric.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Grieve is campaigning for second referendum. Remain vs no deal. He calls out every other option as a dead end based on a Johnson/Hunt PM, his reading of current likely votes in HoC, EU’s stated stance on renegotiation of the WA. The detail, and there is quite a bit is in th3 document I linked earlier on this page. I would have preferred a revoke but that’s unlikely given the two c**nts current rhetoric.
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It seems to me to be virtually impossible for a second referendum to be held this side of a general election. Its just too easy for a government that is dead set against one to frustrate it. Especially with a parliament that is so divided on the issue.
 
cibaman said:
It seems to me to be virtually impossible for a second referendum to be held this side of a general election. Its just too easy for a government that is dead set against one to frustrate it. Especially with a parliament that is so divided on the issue.
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Grieve ‘thinks’ that with the Labour position moving towards remain and a number of Tories publicly stating they will flip if Johnson/Hunt try to force through ‘no deal’, it’s a real possibility that it would get through HoC. It was I think the most option with the highest number of votes at the last round.
His conjecture is if the referendum was remain vs no deal Brexit then Remain would win. I’m really not confident about that.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Grieve ‘thinks’ that with the Labour position moving towards remain and a number of Tories publicly stating they will flip if Johnson/Hunt try to force through ‘no deal’, it’s a real possibility that it would get through HoC. It was I think the most option with the highest number of votes at the last round.
His conjecture is if the referendum was remain vs no deal Brexit then Remain would win. I’m really not confident about that.
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Even if the HoC voted in principle for a 2nd referendum it would be easy for Johnson to drag out the implementation for 6-12 months. It’s very likely that a vote in principle for a 2nd referendum would only just pass in which case the chances of them agreeing on the referendum question(s) would be remote. And a reluctant government has a huge amount of scope to drag out the processes of testing the question(s) by the electoral commission, appointing the campaign lead organisations etc
 
Trying to avoid being accused of wishing the UK not to prosper, but ... The evidence is fairly obvious that the closer we get to No Deal, the lower the currency sinks. Two candidates for MP talk about preparing for it, and down it goes. So the only hope really is that the pound continues to drop, and we are in a recession by Q3, and the public mood changes (unlikely I know given the extent of denial in the last few posts), and MPs are emboldened just to vote to Revoke.
 
Vic said:
Trying to avoid being accused of wishing the UK not to prosper, but ... The evidence is fairly obvious that the closer we get to No Deal, the lower the currency sinks. Two candidates for MP talk about preparing for it, and down it goes. So the only hope really is that the pound continues to drop, and we are in a recession by Q3, and the public mood changes (unlikely I know given the extent of denial in the last few posts), and MPs are emboldened just to vote to Revoke.
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Would that also not have a huge affect on UK society and trust in the political establishment?
I’ve no idea how this will play out or what the outcome would eventually be if you crash out or if you go with the WA, but would remaining without another referendum not also have huge consequences?
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Would that also not have a huge affect on UK society and trust in the political establishment?
I’ve no idea how this will play out or what the outcome would eventually be if you crash out or if you go with the WA, but would remaining without another referendum not also have huge consequences?
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Yes. Pound recovers. Growth returns. Tories in meltdown. What's not to like?
 
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