Another new Brexit thread

[aguero93:20]

Farage won't be. 5 years MEP salary to come.

4 months at most, Macron will make kicking the uk MEPs out of the EU parliament a condition of backing down next time.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Yes. Pound recovers. Growth returns. Tories in meltdown. What's not to like?

Haha.
Do you think it would all be forgotten quickly or would you not see the divide in society deepening?

 

[Saddleworth2]

4 months at most, Macron will make kicking the uk MEPs out of the EU parliament a condition of backing down next time.

Surely not. Much as I like the idea, that would be undemocratic and cause more problems than it solved

 

[west didsblue]

Surely not. Much as I like the idea, that would be undemocratic and cause more problems than it solved

They should make all MEPs swear an oath of allegiance before they can take their seats and draw their salaries, like Sinn Fein don't do here. It would be piss funny watching Farage and the Brexit Party chumps having to do this to get their hands on the money. I bet they would if they had to.

 

[Saddleworth2]

They should make all MEPs swear an oath of allegiance before they can take their seats and draw their salaries, like Sinn Fein don't do here. It would be piss funny watching Farage and the Brexit Party chumps having to do this to get their hands on the money. I bet they would if they had to.

Of course they would.

 

[west didsblue]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49027889
No deal recession predicted for next year.

And still Johnson seems hell bent on going for it.

He's either insane because he thinks it's a credible threat that will make the EU blink or he's insane for actually intending to do it.

 

[Ban-jani]

They should make all MEPs swear an oath of allegiance before they can take their seats and draw their salaries, like Sinn Fein don't do here. It would be piss funny watching Farage and the Brexit Party chumps having to do this to get their hands on the money. I bet they would if they had to.

Of course they would.

 

[hgblue]

Taking No Deal off the table = removing all leverage = a shit deal = remaining in the EU. Leavers have now wised up to that little ruse.

 

[Blue Hefner]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49027889
No deal recession predicted for next year.

And still Johnson seems hell bent on going for it.

He's either insane because he thinks it's a credible threat that will make the EU blink or he's insane for actually intending to do it.

They either don't believe it or don't care. The threat of recession means nothing

There was a bloke on the radio yesterday saying he would be happy to lose his job in the name of 'change'. Of course, he could articulate what 'change' would look like. Also, the people cheer-leading this now are not the sort of politicians/commentators who are typically supportive of those who find themselves unemployed

Strange times

 

[lancs blue]

Taking No Deal off the table = removing all leverage = a shit deal = remaining in the EU. Leavers have now wised up to that little ruse.

What leverage is that? The EU may not particularly want a No-deal Brexit but it's in a far better position to cope with it than we are.

 

[BobKowalski]

Taking No Deal off the table = removing all leverage = a shit deal = remaining in the EU. Leavers have now wised up to that little ruse.

Yeah because threatening no deal has worked a treat so far.

The two dumbest things we did were 1) triggering A50 without a plan or any consensus on the possible outcomes of the negotiations. 2) threatening no deal.

No deal isn’t a threat or leverage. It just signalled we didn’t have a fucking clue. We still don’t it seems. No deal is just capitulation. No deal means we have given up trying to work a way out of this mess and we are allowing other countries to dictate our fate. Baffling craven stupidity to be honest.

 

[west didsblue]

What leverage is that? The EU may not particularly want a No-deal Brexit but it's in a far better position to cope with it than we are.

Exactly.
A no deal Brexit would have a significant impact on the EU as a whole but nowhere near the impact it will have on us.
This idea that threatening the EU with something that would be worse for us than them has always seemed to me to be absolutely ludicrous, but the Brexiters don't seem to see this. It's bizarre.

 

[aguero93:20]

Exactly.
A no deal Brexit would have a significant impact on the EU as a whole but nowhere near the impact it will have on us.
This idea that threatening the EU with something that would be worse for us than them has always seemed to me to be absolutely ludicrous, but the Brexiters don't seem to see this. It's bizarre.

Bringing a knife to a gun fight as the yanks would say.

 

[Blue Hefner]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/expert-wto-rules-uk-on-its-own/

 

[Ban-jani]

Taking No Deal off the table = removing all leverage = a shit deal = remaining in the EU. Leavers have now wised up to that little ruse.

I thought you were a remain voter?

 

[Ban-jani]

Yeah because threatening no deal has worked a treat so far.

The two dumbest things we did were 1) triggering A50 without a plan or any consensus on the possible outcomes of the negotiations. 2) threatening no deal.

No deal isn’t a threat or leverage. It just signalled we didn’t have a fucking clue. We still don’t it seems. No deal is just capitulation. No deal means we have given up trying to work a way out of this mess and we are allowing other countries to dictate our fate. Baffling craven stupidity to be honest.

It’d be the stupidest thing we’ve ever done as a country.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Today's vote to head off prorogation, and hence No Deal, won by majority of 74 in House of Parliament. Good news. We still have a significant sensible majority in the House.

 

[Len Rum]

Exactly.
A no deal Brexit would have a significant impact on the EU as a whole but nowhere near the impact it will have on us.
This idea that threatening the EU with something that would be worse for us than them has always seemed to me to be absolutely ludicrous, but the Brexiters don't seem to see this. It's bizarre.

What are you worried about?
There will still be clean drinking water and a plentiful supply of Mars Bars after a no deal Brexit according to Bonson.
Gammons cheered him to the rafters apparently after he made this announcement.
PS Oh and planes will still fly.

 

[cibaman]

Exactly.
A no deal Brexit would have a significant impact on the EU as a whole but nowhere near the impact it will have on us.
This idea that threatening the EU with something that would be worse for us than them has always seemed to me to be absolutely ludicrous, but the Brexiters don't seem to see this. It's bizarre.

Many of the proponents of No Deal, such as Owen Patterson, were strong advocates of a soft Norway style brexit, prior to the referendum. The shock result generated a huge amount of hubris which just seems to have become worse and worse as we've gone on.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Today's vote to head off prorogation, and hence No Deal, won by majority of 74 in House of Parliament. Good news. We still have a significant sensible majority in the House.

Why did they need a vote? Surely it's obvious parliament would never vote to close / bypass themselves, and I'm actually surprised the figure is not nearer 100%. I also never realised it required a parliamentary vote to porogue parliament - amazing :-)