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BobKowalski said:
You mean when the U.K. Govt negotiated a legal means to leave the EU and thereby fulfill the mandate of the referendum and Brexit MPs went full Pol Pot, shat all over it and declared that the North Korean model not Norway was now their preferred option on Brexit?

Personally I think Parliament now has a duty to the country to fuck Brexit off. Brexiteers had their chance, didn’t take it so they can fuck off. Preferably to North Korea.
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You would have a point if it was just brexit MP’s that had shat all over it.
 
BobKowalski said:
The WA may have been sub-optimal but given we had no plan or consensus it was the best we could probably get and on a technical level not a bad effort. The fact is it was a legal mechanism to leave the EU and provided protection to the economy from short term shock. The only reason Brexit MPs blocked it was the realisation that they were being dictated to by a country like Ireland and other, god forbid, Europeans.

The referendum result was delivered by the WA. That Leavers had a hissy fit isn’t anyone’s problem but theirs and I see no reason why the rest of us should tolerate this shitshow when they had their chance to deliver the referendum result and blew it.

Once we sailed past the 29th March leaving date the fight moved on. The fight is now to revoke A50. Brexiteers had their shot. They missed.
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Wasn’t just leavers was it?

Shall we correct your posts all night?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I can't help but notice you credit brexiteers with having 'had their shot' in March and missed, but seem to suggest Remainers didn't miss theirs in 2016? This shows a lack of critical thinking and analysis and rather just shows you are as entrenched in your view as the most extreme brexiteers. That's fine by the way, but bear in mind you are then expressing a dearly held opinion rather than a fact.
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Indeed.
 
blueinsa said:
You would have a point if it was just brexit MP’s that had shat all over it.
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You mean MPs who are hostile to Brexit and don’t want to leave the EU didn’t vote for an Agreement that *checks notes* meant we left the EU? There’s a shock. Besides if the MPs who do want Brexit weren’t prepared to vote for it then why should anyone else? It’s their Brexit dream and long held ambition after all.

Once Brexiteers fatally holed the only legal mechanism to leave the EU then don’t be surprised when everyone else piles on. You guys had your chance and blew it.
 
BobKowalski said:
You mean MPs who are hostile to Brexit and don’t want to leave the EU didn’t vote for an Agreement that *checks notes* meant we left the EU? There’s a shock. Besides if the MPs who do want Brexit weren’t prepared to vote for it then why should anyone else? It’s their Brexit dream and long held ambition after all.

Once Brexiteers fatally holed the only legal mechanism to leave the EU then don’t be surprised when everyone else piles on. You guys had your chance and blew it.
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I must have missed all those hostile MP’s opposed to brexit right at the start of this process?

Could it have been when they where busy voting for the referendum, the question asked and promising to abide by and carry out the wishes of the electorate/result?
 
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Blue Hefner said:
I’d agree. The main issue Remain has was all the real issues people were facing in regards lack of wage growth, problems getting doctors appointments, immigration etc. Were all at the door of successive governments. Trouble was, they couldn’t put their hand up and say that and/or apologise and try to make it better. No, they simply said if you think it’s bad now vote for us or it will get worse - it’s a terrible strategy. People want hope and optimism

However, people that thought and still think it can’t get any worse are wrong. But we’ve gone past that now. There was a bloke on the radio the other day saying he’d happily lose his job for ‘change’

There are at least 2 problems with this from his perspective 1) he couldn’t articulate what ‘change’ looked like and 2) the people who are really backing this now don’t typically look kindly to the unemployed and in particular those that make themselves intentionally unemployed
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Hard to disagree with much of this - I share your anxiety that many of the leave voters don't fit into the strata of society occupied by Farage,Rees-Mogg, and Johnson. Instinctively one has to suspect that anything they think is good news may not be so for us ordinary folk. They benefit enormously from the tenancy of leavers to 'play the man instead of the ball'
 
blueinsa said:
I must have missed all those hostile MP’s opposed to brexit right at the start of this process?

Could it have been when they where busy voting for the referendum, the question asked and promising to abide by and carry out the wishes of the electorate/result?
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You got MPs who thought Brexit was crazy to:
vote for the referendum, agree a party manifesto that said they'd abide by the result, vote to allow the PM to do Article 50.

Now you also expect them to agree a deal you think is crap, and would threaten the Union, or agree to a No Deal that no-one advocated before the referendum.
 
So that's your best shot? That's the reason "leave must happen"? The country must collapse because the trap set by the brexiters was not challenged? The notion that a binary ballot could suffice to rip up 40 years of complicated and minutely detailed intertwined agreements, arrangements and treaties affecting every aspect of trade, from medicine to food, from laws to agriculture in fact every aspect of life ; that's the logic of the playground, reprising the original brexit chant "we won you lost suck it up".
The illegalities of the brexit campaign alone should at the very minimum trigger a rerun, the police investigations, inching along (what a surprise) but nevertheless, ongoing are being studiously ignored, "mere technicalities" no doubt, so meh... " Everyone knew what it meant" but how could we, what was promised turned out to be LIES, not exaggerations, downright naked lies, and now the public are being belittled for believing them !!!!!
There's taking the piss, but this is on another level entirely...
 
Vic said:
Or not.

Fine. 2nd ref with "no deal" on the ballot paper and lose.
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But the referendum didn't have any deal or no deal on it, and to suggest otherwise or to have the question framed differently is to either be a bad loser, or to invoke an 'if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle' argument.
 
BobKowalski said:
That was civil. You should have seen the first draft.
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I know what you mean
 
George Hannah said:
Where there's a will there's a way somebody once said, think the first bit was in short supply from the off among the servants of the people.
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Not really. If the "deal" had been to leave but remain in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border who would have objected?
 
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