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blueinsa said:
They have on different occasions and interviews.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48929182

Its all part of the game being played out.

The GFA says to me that the interviews in which they say they wont are much closer to the truth than this one.
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The fact we have absolutely no intention to break MFN, which you’ve agreed, means that they will need to put infrastructure up.

If the worst happens and we leave on No Deal, there will be no choice.
 
Ban-jani said:
The fact we have absolutely no intention to break MFN, which you’ve agreed, means that they will need to put infrastructure up.
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Back you go again lol.

What part of MFN means infrastructure going up?
 
What the EU are really worried about is that any border scenario would create a business opportunity for RoI to become a 'back-door' to cheap EU goods for the UK. I personally find this prospect piss funny and have no sympathy at all.
 
blueinsa said:
Back you go again lol.

What part of MFN means infrastructure going up?
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Yes, you need telling an infinite amount of times it seems.

A most-favored-nation (MFN) clause requires a country to provide any concessions, privileges, or immunities granted to one nation in a trade agreement to all other World Trade Organization member countries. Although its name implies favoritism toward another nation, it denotes the equal treatment of all countries.
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How do you propose we we provide customs checks without infrastructure?

And if we’re not checking EU imports, we will have to do the same to all other nations if we’re to not break MFN.

You seem to be hung up on the point that it’s an insinuation of something being enforced, it won’t be, we have to do it ourselves to ensure we’re not open to legal challenges.
 
Ban-jani said:
Yes, you need telling an infinite amount of times it seems.



How do you propose we we provide customs checks without infrastructure?

And if we’re not checking EU imports, we will have to do the same to all other nations if we’re to not break MFN.

You seem to be hung up on the point that it’s an insinuation of something being enforced, it won’t be, we have to do it ourselves to ensure we’re not open to legal challenges.
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Those checks will be done at source and at ports of entry be them in NI or the ROI.

The infrastructure is already there.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Its essentially the EU /ROI who will have to build and man it then. Good luck to the Irish PM selling that one to his population.
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So Dublin/EU negotiates in good faith to protect the peace process. The U.K. reneges on the agreement struck to protect the peace process and crashes out of the EU causing a rupture in relations with its neighbours and forcing Dublin/EU to put up a border to fulfill its legal obligations. Just who do you think the Irish are going to blame for this situation? The EU or the ‘Brits’?
 
This is all a bit superfluous - barring some weird jiggery pokery Johnson will be PM this week. He will face mass resignations from his cabinet and possibly the Party Whip timed to damage him - so expect on the day he wins or the day he actually assumes office to cause maximum effect. Then he will appoint his new cabinet and then face up to the EU who's opening gambit will likely be "no new negotiations Boris - we have an agreement - get it ratified in the House " he then faces ERG pressure to just leave and all the actual facts relating to the border will come about as THEY HAPPEN and we will then see what effect they have. If the EU are the negotiating force they have been so far they will apply the pressure prior to the summer recess leaving Johnson to either cancel recess or spend a summer in the headlines for all the wrong reasons. Brexit will destroy a 3rd UK PM.
 
blueinsa said:
Those checks will be done at source and at ports of entry be them in NI or the ROI.

The infrastructure is already there.
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If we’re checking customs at source and meeting MFN, that would mean we’d have to have customs enforcement in every single country in the world, how is that going to work?

It would also mean lorries may have to go through three lots of checks if something were to need to enter both ROI and NI.
 
bluethrunthru said:
This is all a bit superfluous - barring some weird jiggery pokery Johnson will be PM this week. He will face mass resignations from his cabinet and possibly the Party Whip timed to damage him - so expect on the day he wins or the day he actually assumes office to cause maximum effect. Then he will appoint his new cabinet and then face up to the EU who's opening gambit will likely be "no new negotiations Boris - we have an agreement - get it ratified in the House " he then faces ERG pressure to just leave and all the actual facts relating to the border will come about as THEY HAPPEN and we will then see what effect they have. If the EU are the negotiating force they have been so far they will apply the pressure prior to the summer recess leaving Johnson to either cancel recess or spend a summer in the headlines for all the wrong reasons. Brexit will destroy a 3rd UK PM.
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It amazes me how Boris has only stated twice he'd consider no deal in the event of a good deal not being possible and there are resignations all round, yet May stated well over 100 times that 'no deal was better than a bad deal' and no one felt compelled to resign. It's almost as if they felt she didn't mean it or was lying.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
It amazes me how Boris has only stated twice he'd consider no deal in the event of a good deal not being possible and there are resignations all round, yet May stated well over 100 times that 'no deal was better than a bad deal' and no one felt compelled to resign. It's almost as if they felt she didn't mean it or was lying.
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They all got bored waiting for her to fucking go. Johnson gives them a chance to actually do it.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
It amazes me how Boris has only stated twice he'd consider no deal in the event of a good deal not being possible and there are resignations all round, yet May stated well over 100 times that 'no deal was better than a bad deal' and no one felt compelled to resign. It's almost as if they felt she didn't mean it or was lying.
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Or maybe they trusted her to try to do what was best and they don't trust Boris at all?
 
aguero93:20 said:
Or maybe they trusted her to try to do what was best and they don't trust Boris at all?
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Very possibly. I'm still genuinely confused as to whether her deal was a genuine effort to appease all sides, or to thwart brexit. The fact that it seemed to piss everyone off equally suggests it was genuine.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Very possibly. I'm still genuinely confused as to whether her deal was a genuine effort to appease all sides, or to thwart brexit. The fact that it seemed to piss everyone off equally suggests it was genuine.
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A good compromise leaves everyone equally unhappy.
 
This woman is 70. This woman represents the average Brexit voter demographic who doesn't get that they regurgitate lies. This woman is clueless.

 
blueinsa said:
Those checks will be done at source and at ports of entry be them in NI or the ROI.

The infrastructure is already there.
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Checks will reside in software located in the computers of Northern Ireland HM Revenue & Customs, and accessed over the web by those exporters and importers who need access to it.
 
smudgedj said:
Checks will reside in software located in the computers of Northern Ireland HM Revenue & Customs, and accessed over the web by those exporters and importers who need access to it.
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will those checks record illegal immigrant stowaways and unrecorded smuggled goods?
 
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