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blueinsa said:
I didn't do that did I but by all means express some faux outrage over it lol.

We are in a shit position because parliament, both remain and leave have put us in this position.

They dont want brexit or even the possibility of it then dont vote for the ref, dont vote for the question on it and dont promise to respect the result.

They did just that and then they voted to trigger A50 only to then start rejecting brexit.

Parliament is full of fucking weasels, responsible for this mess and they can get us out of it.
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Where should I be looking closer to home if you didn’t mean Remain voters?

I took that as meaning specifically me.

We’re in this shit position because of the referendum in the first place and what’s followed has escalated it.

Brexit should have been delivered via a GE, if it was going to happen.

Leading Brexit supporter P.Hitchens said this in 2015, that a referendum would cause a constitutional crisis and he was against it.

May not consulting parliament before triggering then fucked things up further, she should have known what would get through and consulted the opposition at the beginning.

The ERG and other ardent Leavers have been the tail that shakes the dog.

All MP’s are at fault for not getting something through at least.

But the whole issue, from 2016 to now rests with vote leave, they are the main culprits and their lies should have ended their careers.
 
Ban-jani said:
Where should I be looking closer to home if you didn’t mean Remain voters?
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Remain MP's given my posts are about Parliament lol.

Why would i blame any of the electorate who did nothing but vote after being invited to by Parliament?
 
That fountain in the Traf centre, the one punters chuck coins in, and make a wish...
Apparently, there is a queue, first time ever, reportedly those of the brexit persuasion, but as none will admit to that, it remains speculation. Samaritan's have a mobile chapel on the car park next to the geezer selling "Free our Tommy" t-shirts, and lucky white heather, dream-catchers and candy-floss . Stop-press t-shirts sold out.
 
blueinsa said:
Remain MP's given my posts are about Parliament lol.

Why would i blame any of the electorate who did nothing but vote after being invited to by Parliament?
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I don’t know, that’s why I confronted it.

Why are Remain MP’s closer to home for me?

I’m not responsible for them.
 
bellbuzzer said:
That fountain in the Traf centre, the one punters chuck coins in, and make a wish...
Apparently, there is a queue, first time ever, reportedly those of the brexit persuasion, but as none will admit to that, it remains speculation. Samaritan's have a mobile chapel on the car park next to the geezer selling "Free our Tommy" t-shirts, and lucky white heather, dream-catchers and candy-floss . Stop-press t-shirts sold out.
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Do you ever make any sense whatsoever buzzer?

Fucking pathetic post as per usual.
 
Ban-jani said:
Well they don’t as I would have voted for the Withdrawal Agreement!
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Mate go back to my first posts please.

They had the chance to stop the brexit process dead in its tracks right at the start.

No ref, no brexit yet all along not only did they not do that they voted to enable it despite being completely against it.

Im almost certain had they done that, rejected it from the start you would have been in total agreement yes?

The fact they didn't is why i say you should look closer to home, to those in Parliament that have betrayed their own opinions and those of you and other remain voters all along this process and are as responsible for the mess we are now in as leave MP's are.

Im fucked off with leave MP's, im fucked off with the lot of them and so should every single one of us imo.
 
blueinsa said:
Mate go back to my first posts please.

They had the chance to stop the brexit process dead in its tracks right at the start.

No ref, no brexit yet all along not only did they not do that they voted to enable it despite being completely against it.

Im almost certain had they done that, rejected it from the start you would have been in total agreement yes?

The fact they didn't is why i say you should look closer to home, to those in Parliament that have betrayed their own opinions and those of you and other remain voters all along this process and are as responsible for the mess we are now in as leave MP's are.

Im fucked off with leave MP's, im fucked off with the lot of them and so should every single one of us imo.
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Again, had I been an MP, I’d have voted for Brexit.

I wouldn’t have been in favour if they just stopped it dead without even trying.

I would have voted to trigger if a promise would have been made to consult other MP’s first.

The mistake was May not consulting the House before going to Brussels. That level of Tory arrogance cost her, the Government and the country.

What’s the way forward now then? Surely you can see leaving with No Deal in October is a disaster and we should either revoke and park it or accept the Withdrawal Agreement?
 
blueinsa said:
Mate go back to my first posts please.

They had the chance to stop the brexit process dead in its tracks right at the start.

No ref, no brexit yet all along not only did they not do that they voted to enable it despite being completely against it.

Im almost certain had they done that, rejected it from the start you would have been in total agreement yes?

The fact they didn't is why i say you should look closer to home, to those in Parliament that have betrayed their own opinions and those of you and other remain voters all along this process and are as responsible for the mess we are now in as leave MP's are.

Im fucked off with leave MP's, im fucked off with the lot of them and so should every single one of us imo.
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The culpability of our political class and our media class for triggering and enabling this whole mess cannot be denied.
 
BobKowalski said:
The culpability of our political class and our media class for triggering and enabling this whole mess cannot be denied.
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Im almost at the point of calling brexit off if it meant we had a GE, could get rid of 90% of the clueless rabble we now have in Parliament and reset.

Trouble we have is our system will replace the idiots with yet more of the same.
 
For Hunt the penny finally drops. You cannot negotiate successfully if you are blind to what drives and motivates the other side.

 
Saddleworth2 said:
With two pencils inserted in our nostrils shouting wibble at the wall. What a surprise Iran are taking us on in the gulf. As a nation, we are demonstrating just how dysfunctional we are to the rest of the world. But once we start renegotiating trade agreements everything will be different.
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Yep and the inconvenient truth for you is who has stood up again and supported the uk . The USA that’s who.

Eu , hello eu , are you there eu?
 
BobKowalski said:
For Hunt the penny finally drops. You cannot negotiate successfully if you are blind to what drives and motivates the other side.

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If i may be so bold that virtually rubber stamps what many of us leavers have said from day one about the EU.

It isn't about trade and everything to do with the political project.

Its a pity that couldn't have been agreed by the majority and the discussion taken from there.
 
blueinsa said:
If i may be so bold that virtually rubber stamps what many of us leavers have said from day one about the EU.

It isn't about trade and everything to do with the political project.

Its a pity that couldn't have been agreed by the majority and the discussion taken from there.
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Exactly remainers talk of economic impact leavers talk of the money and the political project . Pages and pages of it.

Leaver argues a political issue , remainer counters with an economic issue .
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Exactly remainers talk of economic impact leavers talk of the money and the political project . Pages and pages of it.

Leaver argues a political issue , remainer counters with an economic issue .
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That's because the economy drives politics, and that's why Mogg insists on lying that there's a £70bn Brexit dividend based on a single discredited economist's view.

One thing is true though. The leading Brexiters are as bothered about the economic impact as most leavers. The only difference is that it's the economic impact on their personal wealth that bothers them not the economic impact on the country. It's no surprise that Mogg's investment company has funds that has been specifically set up to cash in from the chaos that Brexit will bring to the rest of us.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/11/jacob-rees-mogg-earned-7000000-investments-since-brexit-8884678/
 
blueinsa said:
Im almost at the point of calling brexit off if it meant we had a GE, could get rid of 90% of the clueless rabble we now have in Parliament and reset.

Trouble we have is our system will replace the idiots with yet more of the same.
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That’s because we largely draw our political class and media class from the same limited pool so you repeatedly get the same attitudes, the same views all being shaped by the same environment. How many PMs have to come from Eton for the penny to drop that this is either an astonishing statistical anomaly or the system is rigged?

We are also myopic on Europe and it’s politics. Our media is very good at Westminster and Washington politics. But on European politics it is clueless. The EU is the richest and most powerful trade bloc on the planet and we as a country have no clue on how it operates. We either treat it as a joke with funny foreigners or with outrage at stories over bendy bananas. Our understanding is stuck at toddler level. And talking of toddlers this is why you get a PM like Johnson. We have a toddlers understanding of the problems that face us so we elect a toddler to do the job.
 
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