Another new Brexit thread

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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Still not recovered from ww1, ww2, the detachment from the gold standard and the 70's devaluations. The diminishing strength of Stirling over the last 100 years broadly reflects the diminished significance of the UK during that time. It's possible to pick a arbitrary starting point along this line to try and prove any point you like. I take no more comfort from today's surge than I worry about the supposed plunge due to brexit.
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Good reason why we shouldn’t diminish ourselves further by separating ourselves from one of the biggest economies in the world.
 
Ban-jani said:
Try and answer this clearly without getting personal-

What would you put in there instead?
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Nicky Morgan on the news this morning felt that a solution was there now, one of a group of MP's working on solutions and that their team had visited Dublin, Belfast, Brussels, Paris and Berlin to discuss and that talks where ongoing between all parties.

A deal will be struck.
 
blueinsa said:
Nicky Morgan on the news this morning felt that a solution was there now, one of a group of MP's working on solutions and that their team had visited Dublin, Belfast, Brussels, Paris and Berlin to discuss and that talks where ongoing between all parties.

A deal will be struck.
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Nicky Morgan’s proposal has been rubbished as it only takes into consideration a part of the checks and doesn’t take into consideration things like health and safety regulations.

There’s absolutely nothing from Brussels on this and as far as I’m aware the EU aren’t in discussions about it.
 
Ban-jani said:
Nicky Morgan’s proposal has been rubbished as it only takes into consideration a part of the checks and doesn’t take into consideration things like health and safety regulations.

There’s absolutely nothing from Brussels on this and as far as I’m aware the EU aren’t in discussions about it.
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Rubbished by posters on a football forum wont convince me im afraid.

The work is ongoing and it very much confirms the noise out of Dublin and Brussels as to how they would approach the border issue given the promise that there will never be a hard border.

Cant be arsed arguing with you over this, just reporting what she said this morning and she is a remain MP/Minister remember.

Time will tell.
 
blueinsa said:
Rubbished by posters on a football forum wont convince me im afraid.

The work is ongoing and it very much confirms the noise out of Dublin and Brussels as to how they would approach the border issue given the promise that there will never be a hard border.

Cant be arsed arguing with you over this, just reporting what she said this morning and she is a remain MP/Minister remember.

Time will tell.
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I thought there was a happiness / willingness to get the wa signed by remainers if ireland could be sorted? You know a soft brexit.

You would think they would not want a solution to be found
 
blueinsa said:
Rubbished by posters on a football forum wont convince me im afraid.

The work is ongoing and it very much confirms the noise out of Dublin and Brussels as to how they would approach the border issue given the promise that there will never be a hard border.

Cant be arsed arguing with you over this, just reporting what she said this morning and she is a remain MP/Minister remember.

Time will tell.
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No, I’ll leave the rubbishing of those trying to find solutions to the Leavers on here.

The ex Shadow Minister for NI has said and a former Tory MP was the one who made the health and safety point.

The high tech alternative arrangements, which is relatively vague in detail, is supposed to be ready in 3 years, outlines the ability to scan vehicles as they pass, but it does nothing for health and safety checks, where the technology or solution hasn’t even been given thought yet.

If a lorry is passing from say NI into the EU, it needs to be checked to confirm it adheres to EU regulations on H&S. This alternative arrangements proposal doesn’t take that into consideration and therefore needs work at best, with time running out.

I’m not here for an argument, if there’s a solution to the this then I’m for it and if there is one, we should sign the Withdrawal Agreement as the Backstop is done as soon as we leave.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
I thought there was a happiness / willingness to get the wa signed by remainers if ireland could be sorted? You know a soft brexit.

You would think they would not want a solution to be found
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I do want one and had I been in Parliament I’d have voted reluctantly for Withdrawal Agreement.

It’s also not a soft Brexit. It’s a harder Brexit than the one Nigel Farage was advocating for in 2015 on Question Time.
 
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aguero93:20 said:
No, you've been asked many times. You've never actually answered.
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Nope - not true

You only read and listen to what suits your narrative it seems

Anyway - golf beckons - so will miss what is bound to be an interesting day on here
 
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Vic said:
I probably shouldn't bother as no Leave voter was influenced by anything that Banks and others spent loads of money on to influence them, but here's a review of The Great Hack about what Cambridge Analytica did.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jul/23/the-great-hack-review-cambridge-analytica-facebook-carole-cadwalladr-arron-banks?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0ZpbG1Ub2RheS0xOTA3MjM=&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=FilmToday&CMP=filmtoday_email
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I recommend that everybody on this thread watches this film ..... its an eyeopener


on Netflix
 
Wow. There's another economist who takes the line that Brexit will mean short-term pain for long-term gain. Gerard Lyons advised Johnson when he was Mayor of London (wonder If he advised on the Garden Bridge) so (say the BBC) he's a candidate for governor of the Bank of England.

He sounded a slippery customer. No direct answers to questions. It was put to him that when interest rates are low and GDP is OK (except it isn't) we could borrow billions (Javid has suggested it, "a bit like McDonnell" said the interviewer - except this is borrowing to fund a no-deal Brexit, not actually to benefit the economy). "Credible fiscal activism" - borrowing billions - is what Gerard Lyons calls it. This from his article this week in the FT (to read the full thing just google "Credible fiscal activism" - it's a googlewhack):

There needs to be a smooth evolution from current policy but Britain must approach Brexit as a great opportunity. Many challenges we face are seen across other western economies because of globalisation and technology. Brexit is disruptive but will allow us scope to play to our strengths.

Policy should initially focus on top-down levers that can be pulled and on shifting to a positive mindset. This approach requires a supply-side agenda and credible fiscal activism aided by consistent monetary policy and financial regulation.

The first priority will be to exit the EU in an orderly way. I expect this to happen if Boris Johnson, the likely prime minister, aims for a standstill transition period after the October 31 leaving date that allows time for a free trade deal with the EU to be negotiated. The Irish border issue can be settled with that agreement. Our terms of exit should not bind our hands on future domestic policy or trade deals with the rest of the world.


Now, does that sound a bit like a TED talk on self-belief? "Play to your strengths, positive mindset..."? As to the substance, No Deal apparently means we negotiate not a Deal but a No Deal Deal for a transition period where nothing changes, while we do a Deal. Is this total crap, or have I just not got the positive mindset vibe?

To read the reply from Prof Costas Milne, google "It may be better not to know how disorderly Brexit can be" - though Prof Milne doesn't say anything like that headline...

Rather, he asks two questions:

First, why would the UK want to inflict on itself a fairly huge (short to medium term) economic pain when it can definitely avoid it by either agreeing to a version of Theresa May’s deal or by negotiating a short-term extension (before the October 31 deadline) which would then lead to another (but again not that different) Brexit deal?

Second, and equally important, how bad will the economic pain be in case of a no-deal Brexit? and concludes:

I would not like to experience this unnecessary event just to reassure myself that a no-deal Brexit would not be, in the words of Mr Lyons, “an end state”.
 
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Radio 4 Today Prog doing well on balance this morning. Several interviews with No Deal Tories and supporters. I'm expecting someone from Labour to be on soon for balance, to answer questions about anti-Semitism. Edit: Well, they did get a Labour view, no mention of AS and I'm no clearer what the party's Brexit policy is...
 
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Vic said:
Radio 4 Today Prog doing well on balance this morning. Several interviews with No Deal Tories and supporters. I'm expecting someone from Labour to be on soon for balance, to answer questions about anti-Semitism.
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I sacked Today about two years ago as regular listening for that reason. Then as I’d had R4 on in the car last night it was on this morning when I drove to the station. It only took five minutes for me to decide that Absolute 80s was a better bet.
 
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