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Getting abuse from a couple of users here. I will ask the question, which so far has not been answered, what will we do instead of a backstop? Do you think that we can carry on, as now, with no real border, or do you suggest something else? I assume we will need a border?
 
What will pass through?

Goods produced in the ROI going to the UK and on to the EU will and vica versa.

I dont see goods produced in say Argentina bound for Austria going through the border and if they did i would be looking for a new freight forwarder.

No but you have to have the same across all of your borders and we cannot give the ROI preferential treatment, than say goods coming in from Argentina.
 
No but you have to have the same across all of your borders and we cannot give the ROI preferential treatment, than say goods coming in from Argentina.
Am I right in saying, if one border is open and free between UK and Ireland as well as being free to everyone then we aren't just talking about the one border and entry point all borders and entry points have to be free and open to all.
 
Am I right in saying, if one border is open and free between UK and Ireland as well as being free to everyone then we aren't just talking about the one border and entry point all borders and entry points have to be free and open to all.

Yes.

Absolutely.
 
We’ve done this before, haven’t we?

They don’t enforce anything, you get legally challenged in an international court by another nation, if you do not offer them the same terms.
No-one can agree that this is the case though.

Some say it will, some say it doesn't, even the WTO themselves state that as far as they are aware there's nothing concrete in that case, by their own rules and admission.
 
Am I right in saying, if one border is open and free between UK and Ireland as well as being free to everyone then we aren't just talking about the one border and entry point all borders and entry points have to be free and open to all.

According to who and for what purpose?
 
Getting abuse from a couple of users here. I will ask the question, which so far has not been answered, what will we do instead of a backstop? Do you think that we can carry on, as now, with no real border, or do you suggest something else? I assume we will need a border?
Preciesely that. We say we won't implement one. Ball is then in the EU's court. We already have a border, the Irish Sea, the English Channel, the North Sea, the Arctic Ocean. Even goods coming from NI get checked at GB ports.
 
Preciesely that. We say we won't implement one. Ball is then in the EU's court. We already have a border, the Irish Sea, the English Channel, the North Sea, the Arctic Ocean. Even goods coming from NI get checked at GB ports.

So, your answer is ‘do nowt’? Leave our side of the border open? Isn’t that the ‘backstop’? Thought the idea was to get rid?
 
Any links to show this?

On Canada here is the link I previously posted

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-uk-trade-boris-wednesday-1.5221984

On Japan they won’t roll the deal over. They want a systematic line by line review. In effect we have to renegotiate. It’s a new deal which has yet to come on line for the most part so the Japanese position seems to be we retain the status quo of no deal in place and negotiate from there.

The reason Fox got the heave ho is that three years of reality had tempered his initial Johnson like enthusiasm. Team Johnson felt he didn’t ‘believe hard enough’ so Truss will now bring oodles of enthusiasm and ‘belief’ to the hard edged world of trade negotiations where (gasp) other countries have their own red lines, objectives and agency and no doubt make them do as they are told as befits our status as ‘the greatest country on Earth - Date to be advised’.
 
Pumped to know that the Tories are the ‘party of the people’ but only those people who voted or believe in Brexit so that’s half the country that can fuck off then and even more pumped to know that our new PM regards the term ‘Remainer’ as an insult up there with ‘traitor’ and ‘betrayer of Britain’.

I may get tshirts made with ‘Remainer’ on them just for the lols.
 
Pumped to know that the Tories are the ‘party of the people’ but only those people who voted or believe in Brexit so that’s half the country that can fuck off then and even more pumped to know that our new PM regards the term ‘Remainer’ as an insult up there with ‘traitor’ and ‘betrayer of Britain’.

I may get tshirts made with ‘Remainer’ on them just for the lols.

Cheer up......at least he didn't call you a nazi fascist ;-)
 
Cheer up......at least he didn't call you a nazi fascist ;-)

I’m assuming he is saving that for the election campaign where he plans to unite the country...against Remainers. It’s going to be the ‘Captain Britain: Civil War’ election and it will likely destroy us because the middle ground has been salted for a generation or two.
 
So, your answer is ‘do nowt’? Leave our side of the border open? Isn’t that the ‘backstop’? Thought the idea was to get rid?
And what about Northern Ireland? You think they're happy with the backstop?
 
I don’t think so. The disruption would be blamed on 1) the EU creating more of a nationalist view and 2) ‘this is what you voted for(source: Ledsom and Hunt 2019). But no one wants to think they are responsible so will defer to option 1 and we will get through with ‘optimism’ and the D-Day spirit
After Black Wednesday the government and the Tory press tried to place the blame on Soros and other speculators. It didn’t work, the public put the blame firmly on government incompetence. It would be the same with no deal but on a much bigger scale
 
We have a land border with only one nation as per the UK union. Everything else must arrive into this country by sea or air. So regardless, we have a 'border'.


It doesn’t matter whether it’s land or sea, it’s the regulations, tariffs, health and safety regs etc etc. that matters and these checks will need to align in Ireland, Dover or Folkestone.

When you arrive at Customs it’s the same.
 
It doesn’t matter whether it’s land or sea, it’s the regulations, tariffs, health and safety regs etc etc. that matters and these checks will need to align in Ireland, Dover or Folkestone.

When you arrive at Customs it’s the same.
Which we keep, since we helped to write those regulations.

Leaving the EU doesn't mean abandoning the regulations we implemented.
 
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